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    Posted: 31 May 2007 at 11:27pm
I'm new here and I have an opportunity to buy an M38 that is very original, straight and solid - No rust. It's not cheap. Are M38's sought after? Or are they just another MV? Would I be better off with a CJ2A or CJ3A. I've never owned a flat fender but I'm starting to kick the tires on a few.

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They are actually the most 'improved' or 'engineered' of the flatfenders. A little heavier duty components in some places. A good one to 'use' for a trailrunner.........opinions vary, but the 24 volt system I would change to 12 unless you want the expense of the stock system.....just my opinion.
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M38's are very desirable.  and keep it 24 volt, the system is not hard at all.  I got to put 13 miles on mine a couple of days ago, first time on the road in 5 years.

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http://www.willysmjeeps.com/v2/modules.php?name=Forums
here is the m38 board you have to register but lots of pics and info
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Great to see another Iowan.... trapped behind the corn curtain. When I was a lad I  sold soap from overton chemical company out of Sumner. Long time ago.
I agree with Roc on the  M38, heavier duty and some nice features. It might be my favorite flat fender, if only it had the split windshield. Good luck on you bargaining. 
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I've had a couple M38s...both were pretty darned rough. Lots of rust through and such. One ran and drove but only stopped on uphill grades, the other one's engine looked like a rust milkshake inside. They were advertised blatantly honest as to their condition.

running one brought $1575.
non running one brought $1225.

I guess what I'm saying is that in the worst shape, they still bring "some" money. 
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Overton,

If you decide you'd rather have a CJ over the M38, I can chase down a couple for you to choose from.  I prefer the M38, and if you don't want to invest in the one you're looking at, I'd be interested in talking with you about it.  I agree with the posts above, they're built a bit tougher than most CJs, and there are fewer of them around.  Only built about 3 years, all for government contracts. 

If you do get it, and it's 24 volt, I'd keep it that way.  You'll get more out of it later. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote overton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2007 at 11:57pm
Well I think I'm going to have to sell one of my cherry FJ40's before I take the plunge with a Jeep. Money is a good thing! Now I'm thinking more of the M38 or the M38A1 rather than the CJ. The common wisdom is that the Military models seem to hold the value better than the CJ's.

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overton,
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Didn't mean to offend - That's just what someone said - I don't think any of these jeeps are getting cheaper.
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Sometimes the truth hurts... Military is more sought after.
  The 2a will hold it's value. The things that will get more spendy are the toys that go with them. That is something that seems to be the big dollar items lately.
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Overton, Just a warning...if you don't scratch the civilian itch it will only fester and with time, consume your entire brain.

I know Mil stuff holds it's value...but think of this. Once you have a restored Jeep...what are you going to do to continue the hobby? There's only so much you can add to a Mil Jeep for accessories....a 1919 on a gun mount plus some belt gear and other Mil surplus....maybe a trailer.

With an early civilian Jeep, you can add a PTO to drive a buzz saw, three point lift for running a brush hog or plow, or disc... trencher, snow blade, post hole digger, disc, spring tooth harrow...the list goes on and on.

I dunno, but myself, I can see this early civilian stuff passing up the mil stuff in the future...there's just so much more to it and it all happens to be stuff a guy can really use around the farm, or just for entertainment.

Heck, I tilled the garden with my Jeep-A-Trench this year...what more fun could a redneck want?

While the 1919 can be fun, you can't really use it for it's intended purpose...well, unless you have some real unruly neighbors.
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Doug's right you know.  I've always prefered M38's, but with the restoration of Kate's CJ, I'm seeing all kinds of possibilities for my next rebuild-it-project.  I sure wish I had a plow for my jeep. 

Hey Doug, would you come plow a bit of garden for me??
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Mike...pretty sure you could buy a tiller for what it would cost in gas for me to come out there...LOL. Sure wouldn't be nearly as entertaining though. Fun to put toys to work once in a while.

I shot a vid with my camera phone, but the darn thing won't let me send it to my PC Angry
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Originally posted by Doug Doug wrote:

Fun to put toys to work once in a while.
 
Plus, it makes it easier to explain the need to have them sitting around all the time too to the other half of the relationship. Wink
 
 
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I gave up on trying to splain all of it...fortunately, she gave up on trying to curb my addiction LOL...but yeah, it does probably help a smidge.

Truth is, at the going rate now days... the trencher will have paid for itself with the work I'm doing with it....as long as I opt to forget one of the local contractors I work with regularly will loan me his "modern" trencher for no more than the cost of fuel. No fun in that.
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Originally posted by Doug Doug wrote:



Truth is, at the going rate now days... the trencher will have paid for itself with the work I'm doing with it
 
 
Yeah, I kinda figured that might be true too after I read what you were doing.
 
 
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In the "Workhorses of Industry" video they remarked of the penny per foot cost of operation...I'll have to see how well that holds true today...LOL
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