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    Posted: 15 Apr. 2021 at 2:00am
I have a question for those members that also own MBs, GPWs and M38s: is there a reinforcement bracket on the inside of the tub where the tool indents are? I added the indents to my 2a tub and had to remove this part to do it:



I looked all over the internet but didn't find a good photo of the inside of the tool indents. Over on the G503 there was mention of a "Y" shaped part called a reinforcement on the passenger side but not a photo.

Is there such a bracket behind the tool indents?

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yes. let me see if I can load a foto.

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sorry for the poor foto. it welds at the centerline of the shovel indent.
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Yes, I see it. Awesome! 
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  Be aware that Muley's photo is of the right side of an M38. MB's and GPW's don't have that reinforcement on the left side, they have a horizontal hat channel behind one of the indents. 
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Good to know, thanks for the information. Since the indents are on the right side of the tub and the M38 version looks simpler to create, I’ll go that direction. 
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If it helps, I believe this is the part?
 
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Originally posted by Ron D Ron D wrote:

If it helps, I believe this is the part?
 
 
Hey Ron,  for the m38 application the part you linked would go on left side only. Take a look at pg 148
in Ryan's ref guide for a shot of the rt side at the shovel indent.
 


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I have another favor to ask of owners of the military jeeps. I've looked around but not found dimensions on where the pioneer tool brackets are located on the side. I have found an axe that will work so I'll start with that as it seems everything keys off where the axe head is located. 

Could those of you that own a MB, GPW or M38 please chime in on where the axe holding widgets go? Mainly the pocket or sheath for the sharp side and the strap bracket for the other end.

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Does this help or did you need measurements? 44GPW.

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That's a great picture and it does help, but I was hoping for some dimensions. Such as: from the bottom of the sheet metal, from the wheel opening, etc.

Plus I'm curious of the number of footman loops around the axe holder- sometimes I've seen three and other examples are four. Scratch, it looks like in your setup you can get away with three but have four. Curious about the difference.

Also is the loop for the axe handle vertical or at an angle?
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Okay, I'll hit you up with some measurements from mine and hopefully it will help. Let me know if you need anything else. 

Starting with the front, on the spade of the shovel holder, the bottom bolt is 3-3/8" measuring from the top of the step to the center of the bolt. Center to center of those bolts are about 6-1/2", and if you measure from the center line of those bolts back to the dash, it's 7-3/4".



The front of the ax holder is at an angle. The bottom bolt is about 1/2" from the bottom of the tub up to the center of the bolt. The ax holder is 2-7/8" center to center.  Hopefully you can tell the angle from the picture I attached.




On the 4 bolt bracket that holds the bottom of the axe head up, it is about 3/8" up from the bottom of the tub. If I measure along the top line of that bracket, from the top right corner of it, back to the wheel well, it's exactly 2 in. The bracket is squarely mounted. 



The footman Loop above the ax head is directly centered with the 4 bolt mount, and it is 9 and 3/4 in from the bottom of the tub, to both bolts centerline. 

The bottom of the pocket for the bit of the ax is exactly 6-1/8" up from the bottom of the tub and it is almost exactly centered with the four bolt bracket on the bottom. It is forward of the center line about a quarter inch on mine, but it could be perfectly centered, and probably should have been.

My shovel has three footman Loops, although I really only need the rearward two.  The front one does nothing but I assume it's there for different length shovels maybe? They are all in line and the center of the footman Loops are 7-1/4" high from the bottom of the tub.  
If I start my tape measure at the seam where the tool indents are, my first footmen loop centerline is at 8-7/8", the second one is at 11-3/4", and the third one is at 19-1/2".





Edited by Scratch - 12 July 2021 at 6:06pm
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Scratch,

Thank you for taking the time to respond and post the pictures and measurements! That is the most clarifying information I've seen on placing the tool brackets.

After all that I only have one question, and that is just to confirm the distance from the rear wheel opening to the closest part of the axe pocket (say the bottom corner). It looks fairly close like about an inch or so. 

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Originally posted by otto otto wrote:

Scratch,

Thank you for taking the time to respond and post the pictures and measurements! That is the most clarifying information I've seen on placing the tool brackets.

After all that I only have one question, and that is just to confirm the distance from the rear wheel opening to the closest part of the axe pocket (say the bottom corner). It looks fairly close like about an inch or so. 

Thanks for the help!
Yes, on mine it is 1-1/8" from the wheel well. 
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I have one more follow up question. The loop for the axe handle looks to line up with this handy hole in the gusset for the front cowl section. Would most folks think this was the original purpose for this small hole?

I have the indents on the right side of the tub, but both sides have this hole. 

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Originally posted by otto otto wrote:

I have one more follow up question. The loop for the axe handle looks to line up with this handy hole in the gusset for the front cowl section. Would most folks think this was the original purpose for this small hole?
I have the indents on the right side of the tub, but both sides have this hole. 
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Here are pictures of the gussets on both sides of mine.   I tried to get as much of the gusset and its location in the picture for you, but can take a closer one if you need. You are correct, that one hole in the gusset on the drivers side is for the top forward bolt of the axe loop.




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