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    Posted: 05 Nov. 2022 at 6:27pm
Just now got around to working on an engine I acquired last Spring. Getting it ready to mount on a stand, and pulled this little bitty starter off of it.

I assume it is one of the mini Hi-torque starters I have heard of, and it looks like those I see listed as such, but there is no label on it so I am not entirely sure what it is.

Trying to decide whether to use it, or an original starter, of which I have several.

Anyone use something like this ? IF so, how good is it?






Edited by Oldpappy - 07 Nov. 2022 at 2:24pm
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I like mine.


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+1, those are nice little starters. 
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Okay, you guys have talked me into trying it.  

The engine was a fairly fresh rebuild, but compression is low on the number 3 cylinder. I suspect a blown head gasket is the problem. 

I found brass nuts were used on the head studs, and only one of them was torqued beyond 40lbs, and that one moved at 50lbs. 

That guy didn't build the engine, but I suspect he installed the head and oil pan too judging by the brass nuts and the great gobs of blue silicone sealant squeezed out around the pan, neither of which are signs of a real mechanic at work. I guess he ever got re-torqued the nuts or the brass nuts just couldn't hold properly.

All four plugs are a nice toasty tan color, which is a good sign. I am going to give it a good going over before I decide to put it into a Jeep. Once I get it on the stand I will pull the head and pan and see what I can see. 
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Pull the oil sump as well. Check the pick-up tube screen for excess blue goo plugging it up. You do not want that.
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Yep Captain, that was my thought as well. 

Would be pulling the pan anyway because it is a truck oil pan and I want to replace it with one with the skid plate. Whenever I see a big goopey mess of silicone I think "amateur at work". With the amount of squeezed out silicone on the outside I would be surprised if non made it into the oil sump. I plan to pull the pump for inspection as well.   
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Just catching up on my old posts and Oldpappy’s caught my eye. My starter has blown up (badly) and I was looking at the starter in the attached picture as most repro starters seem to be poor on quality. Looks the same product. Would anyone provide a review / have experience on its performance and also fit on the flywheel. Any adjustments required etc? Not stock I know but the choice is expensive trash or very expensive original rebuilds.
Thanks in advance!




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There are a couple of responders above with good reports on them. I have yet to use the one I have, but based on the above reports I will use it on the engine it came attached to. Obviously, you have to know which flywheel you have before spending the money on one, but the one I have bolts right up without any modification or "adjustment" that I can see. 
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I put this one on my M38:


and it looks like it's the same unit though it may be rebranded.

In my opinion and experience it's an upgrade.  Better engagement, faster start, easier install, works with a lower battery, etc. 
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That’s great, thanks. Just one more question if I may? Is the new starter installed with a foot starter? I’m not keen to change to a solenoid.

Thanks!
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I installed one of these on my 2A last year, mine came from a link on this site to EBay from a shop in Texas…. I would not go back to the OE Auto-Lite….. The starter has a solenoid on it, I still use my floor starter switch to operate the starter….

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Here is a video of my install.

[TUBE] https://youtu.be/LbHK6L0pdro[/TUBE]



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This is great, very helpful  thanks! Just one more thing on the wiring set up, just so I get it right in my mind.
So you took off the manufacturer’s wiring loop from exciter to live terminal and you wired both the battery to foot starter cable and starter motor to foot starter cable on the same foot starter terminal, so the starter motor is live all the time. On the exciter you ran a smaller wire to the other terminal on the foot starter so you don’t have to blast the foot starter with amps. Great idea! Question if I may? What gauge was this wire, 12 gauge ?

Thanks for your time, really appreciated

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Originally posted by JonJ JonJ wrote:

This is great, very helpful  thanks! Just one more thing on the wiring set up, just so I get it right in my mind.
So you took off the manufacturer’s wiring loop from exciter to live terminal and you wired both the battery to foot starter cable and starter motor to foot starter cable on the same foot starter terminal, so the starter motor is live all the time. On the exciter you ran a smaller wire to the other terminal on the foot starter so you don’t have to blast the foot starter with amps. Great idea! Question if I may? What gauge was this wire, 12 gauge ?

Thanks for your time, really appreciated

Jon




Yes you have it, I believe I used 12 gage but 14 would be fine as well.

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 Doesn't sound right that the starter motor is alive all the time. The input of the solenoid should be alive all the time.

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Originally posted by WeeWilly WeeWilly wrote:

 Doesn't sound right that the starter motor is alive all the time. The input of the solenoid should be alive all the time.

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In this setup, Both the starter's attached solenoid & the foot switch should  be "alive all the time". Just like in modern cars, the positive battery terminal will go to the starter's attached solenoid & the starter will be energized by the attached solenoid. This attached solenoid will get energized by the foot switch.

In modern cars the attached solenoid gets energized by the start position of the ignition switch. Since we do not have a start position on our ignition switches, we usually use either a starter button on the dash, or we use a foot switch to energize the starter solenoid. Clear as mud yet?
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Mini starter installed




and works great. I wired my battery cable direct to the starter and ran 12 gauge from the ignition to foot starter and on the other side, 12 gauge to exciter. Fab first time start with no heavy amps going through foot starter.

Thanks for your help!

Jon




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