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    Posted: 29 Aug. 2021 at 10:03pm
A friend of mine dropped this off in my yard today and said he needed to get rid of it. Supposedly it is a 1946 but no title or ID tags. It is actually pretty complete and might have run before it was parked. He thought to do a rebuild but don't have the time or place to work. He took the front end off and pulled the head to see how it looks. The Carter carb, original air cleaner and oil filter are in the tub along with the fenders and hood. If anybody has any interest in it for a project or parts send me a PM, I'll know more after I get a better look at it tomorrow.      
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Hi Stan,
Looks like a 3A. Big smile

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Originally posted by athawk11 athawk11 wrote:

Hi Stan,
Looks like a 3A. Big smile



I was thinking the same thing.
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Originally posted by athawk11 athawk11 wrote:

Hi Stan,
Looks like a 3A. Big smile


I'll take your word for it Tim. At least that's a start, any good advice how to find out the year without the ID tags?
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M38 tailgate.
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Originally posted by muley muley wrote:


M38 tailgate.

Yup, got a one piece windshield too, custom built by Bubba. It does have a vacuum wiper motor that might be alright.
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the intake manny is plumbed with the atomizers for the m38 dash mount fuel primer pump as well.  cant tell from the pics but are the front frame horns boxed?
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I'm in central Texas and would jump on that like a duck on a june bug, but unfortunatly housebound for awhile. I'm going to share with a nephew, maybe he'll grab it.
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Originally posted by muley muley wrote:


the intake manny is plumbed with the atomizers for the m38 dash mount fuel primer pump as well.  cant tell from the pics but are the front frame horns boxed?

Sadly enough, some previous owner de-horned it and welded on a channel iron bumper and cow catcher. I'll get a picture of it when I get time.
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Originally posted by oldscot3 oldscot3 wrote:

I'm in central Texas and would jump on that like a duck on a june bug, but unfortunately housebound for awhile. I'm going to share with a nephew, maybe he'll grab it.

Sorry to hear your mobility is limited, may put the damper on your jeepin. I'm here in Midland so it would be a pretty painless retrieval for ya'll. Really no urgency to get anything done with it. Maybe someone will need it. for the short term I plan to get it under cover and keep soaking the pistons and try to get the engine to turn over. The engine oil don't look too bad, I'll loosen the drain plug on it and the transmission and see how much water drips out.       
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I've got a spare parts jeep with a whole driveline and two spare buildable engines, I'd love to have yours for a trail jeep project. I may check with you again at a later date, unless I can con my nephew into earlier. 

PS my current situation is temporary, I'll be back in the jeep at some point in the upcoming fall months.Wink


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 Bummer you are so far away I would love to have that!

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Originally posted by 47 deuce alpha 47 deuce alpha wrote:


...any good advice how to find out the year without the ID tags?

The CJ3A is difficult to date without the serial number plate.  In most cases, the changes during 3A production were much more subtle than the 2A changes.  You generally have to look at the dates or date codes on the components to help determine the YOM.  The engine serial number can help too, but we all know how rare it is to find the original engine with these old Willys Jeeps.  Axles generally stay with the Willys, so I would probably look there first.  

There is a clue in one of your pictures.  Assuming the stuff is original, the Oakes style air cleaner is a feature from a very early 1949 CJ3A.  (Later production went pretty much to the Donaldson style.)  So, based on that air cleaner, I would direct you to look for 2 extra screw holes just below the serial number plate area on the firewall.  Very early 3As still had the body tag just like the CJ2A.  If you have the holes for a body tag, then you can fairly definitively claim it is a 1949 CJ3A.
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Originally posted by athawk11 athawk11 wrote:

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)  So, based on that air cleaner, I would direct you to look for 2 extra screw holes just below the serial number plate area on the firewall.  Very early 3As still had the body tag just like the CJ2A.  If you have the holes for a body tag, then you can fairly definitively claim it is a 1949 CJ3A.

I looked at the ID plate area, it appears there was just one plate with 4 holes. Sort of odd that 2 of the screws are still in place?
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Originally posted by ace32107 ace32107 wrote:

 Bummer you are so far away I would love to have that!


Yeah, reckon you're about as far away from Texas as you can get.
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Originally posted by oldscot3 oldscot3 wrote:

I've got a spare parts jeep with a whole driveline and two spare buildable engines, I'd love to have yours for a trail jeep project. I may check with you again at a later date, unless I can con my nephew into earlier. 

PS my current situation is temporary, I'll be back in the jeep at some point in the upcoming fall months.Wink

Yeah, keep me in mind, I not sure how much of the old jeep is usable, might be able to salvage some parts for a frankenjeep build. I'll know more when I can get it in the shop and scatter it out some. Where are you at over there in the Hill Country?    
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Kerrville, about sixty miles NW of San Antonio.
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Okay, no screw holes.

The frame is set up to accept a bottom mount radiator.  This is also an indication that it is an early 3A, but this feature occasionally shows up at other points during 3A production.  (later 3As generally have side mount radiators.)  So, not a sure thing, but statistically, a bottom mount radiator is more likely to show up in 1949.  
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