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    Posted: 13 Jan. 2018 at 11:42pm
Just stumbled into this trailer.  Wikipedia didn't really help much.  So I've come for your expert help.  What can you guys tell me about my new-to-me M416?


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The M416 was designed for the M151 Ford "Mutt" jeep used during the Vietnam War. It was produced by four or five different contractors, including Johnson Furnace, Jones Co. and Stevens Mfg. Not sure whether all models (there was an A1 and A2 variant) had brakes and hydraulic shocks, but some did. Basically the M416 was the result of somebody in US Army automotive command realizing the WWII and Korean War vintage Bantam MBT and M100 1/4-ton trailers were quite good and didn't need to be completely re-engineered for the 1960s. This rarely happens with military vehicle planning, by the way.
Like their predecessors, the M416s are robust little trailers. They're overbuilt compared with most commercial civilian trailers. Some 2A, 3A and early CJ5 owners don't like the squared-off fenders and slotted wheels. I really don't mind them, and when I finish my 2A resto I would seriously consider a 416.
 

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I've never compared the two much past the square vs. Round fenders and different wheels but just wondering if they are close enough to 'dress up' as a Bantam?

Maybe I shouldn't ask that .....my apologies just curious, probably would never do it. Just asking for conversational purposes.

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Chad,

Most would not know the difference once round fenders are swapped and if you added a couple of the repop rear side supports and duplicated the Bantam tailgate it would be even harder to see the differences with exception to the hitch casting. Which is exactly what I would do on this one since the rear is cutout and the rear sides are loose without any support.








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Thanks for the info.  I actually like the squared off fenders, so they'll stay.  I'm still undecided about the rear wall.  Don't know if I want to put in a tailgate for practical purposes, or wall it off for a more original look.  Time will tell.  Bed has a few random holes that have been drilled in it.  But there are ZERO rust holes.  The two drain plugs are still there and appear to be complete.  There is no brake handle, but there does appear to be a brake cable that comes together toward the front.  The indents in the front wall match the indents in the Bantam front wall and tailgate.


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Originally posted by 48cj2a 48cj2a wrote:

Chad,

Most would not know the difference once round fenders are swapped and if you added a couple of the repop rear side supports and duplicated the Bantam tailgate it would be even harder to see the differences with exception to the hitch casting. Which is exactly what I would do on this one since the rear is cutout and the rear sides are loose without any support.











Thanks Art.....that's exactly what I was thinking but had never discussed it or checked into it.....have passed up a few of those (primarily because I didn't need another trailer in the year.

That would make it more 'doable' then, thanks for the info.


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Just my $0.02, but tailgates really come in handy for hauling anything the requires unloading with a shovel or pitchfork. The WWII 1/4-ton trailers were designed without tailgates to give them a better chance of floating when the landing craft stopped short of the beach. In my experience they're a pain for most practical uses.
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Originally posted by LuzonRed47 LuzonRed47 wrote:

Just my $0.02, but tailgates really come in handy for hauling anything the requires unloading with a shovel or pitchfork. The WWII 1/4-ton trailers were designed without tailgates to give them a better chance of floating when the landing craft stopped short of the beach. In my experience they're a pain for most practical uses.

That's the battle... originality/simplicity vs practicality.  I do like the idea of a tailgate.
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Originally posted by Freedom21 Freedom21 wrote:

...Wikipedia didn't really help much...  What can you guys tell me about my new-to-me M416?....
 
Download a free manual on jeepdraw
 
 
 
Half way down under "WW2 Manuals"
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That is awesome!  Thank you very much.
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I just emailed you the manual
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Originally posted by 48cj2a 48cj2a wrote:

I just emailed you the manual

Thank you very much.  Is it crazy to be excited about a trailer?  LOL
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I needed to move a steel desk from my work shop, out to another barn to get it out of the way.  So, I put the new trailer to work.


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I love my M416. I just finished restoring it. I couldn’t work up the nerve to cut out the back wall though and put in a tailgate. Yours is already missing it so I would definitely go the tailgate route especially with the availability of the repop parts. It is a durable beast of a trailer.

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Good looking trailer Dave...we had over 60 of those in my unit with a MEPP-26 GenSet in them when I joined in 1980 (pre HUMV days)
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Originally posted by damar2yxr damar2yxr wrote:

I love my M416. I just finished restoring it.

That is a great looking trailer!  Yeah, I'm still torn between a tailgate or not...  I get it with the convenience of a tailgate.  But I also like the idea of returning it to it's more original state.  MY current thought is replacing the rear wall for now.  If I get to the point of regretting it and wanting a tailgate, I can cut one in knowing I'm not cutting out the original rear wall.  So no guilt!  Big smile
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I totally understand wanting to return the M416 to original, with the fixed tub rear wall. I'd forgotten that the 416 was designed like a WWII 1/4-ton combat trailer, without a tailgate. The spec must have called for a continuation of the alleged "amphibious" capability. As Damar2yxr notes, you can always add a tailgate if the need for hauling topsoil or fertilizer becomes overwhelming.
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But....without a tailgate you won't be able to load those steel desks (or anything else that's large and heavy) as easily. Even loading / hauling firewood will be more laborious.
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