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likeg 
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 Topic: positive camber issuePosted: 12 Feb. 2020 at 6:37am |
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I have a positive camber issue in the left front on my 46. The jeep had a case of the leans and I inserted a 1 1/2 inch block on the right side to even it out. The 1 1/2 is actually to much as the front right is slightly higher on the left (that is until I sit in it). Since inserting the block the jeep developed a positive camber issue on the left side. There was no camber issue before inserting the block. In order to insert the block I removed an angled caster shim from the right front. Thus far I have only driven the jeep around the block once, but it steered much better than it did, but that could be due to several factors.
Thus far I have made the following modification or replacements to the steering components. 1. added block to address lean issue. 2. installed ford reverse box with herms bracket. 3. Installed tilt column with borgenson joints 3. Replaced king pin bearings and races. 4. Checked, cleaned, greased front axles. 5. Converted to 11" drum brakes I added the block before addressing the king pin issues and noticed the camber problem. Then i replaced the king bearings, races and adjusted the knuckle drag with shims. No difference in the camber issue. The axle housing and knuckles are in good shape. So I am left to believe that the block to correct the lean is causing the issue. I've been told that this cant be the case, but its the common denominator in the equation. I am going to remove the block and put a 1" square tube section in place of the block just to see if this changes the positive camber issue. If it does i will fabricate a 1" block to replace the 1 1/2" block. Not sure what else to try, any ideas?
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Bruce W
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Posted: 12 Feb. 2020 at 3:50pm |
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Stop and think about it - the axle sits flat on the ground and camber angle is measured in relationship to the ground. Camber angle is built into the axle. Nothing you do to the springs or frame can change the camber angle. You could take the rest of the jeep away and leave the front axle alone, sitting on the ground, and the camber angle would not be changed. Something is bent, worn, or mis-assembled. BW
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Posted: 12 Feb. 2020 at 5:42pm |
All logic says you are correct. I have not been able to find anything bent, almost everything was replaced, so that would only leave misassembled. The problem with that is that when I put the block in is when the camber issue began. It did not change after replacing bearing, races, etc. So for sh*ts and giggles I’ll take the block out and see what happens. Logic says no change, but I’ve been fooled by logic before.
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Posted: 12 Feb. 2020 at 5:47pm |
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Check the lower kingpin races mounting points in the axle tubes. Sometimes they get bent or stretched. The race should not move around in the hole. Let us know what you find.
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Posted: 12 Feb. 2020 at 5:57pm |
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Are you wheel bearings adjusted properly or do they have some play in them causing the camber issue. Grab the wheel top and bottom and see if you can feel excessive play.
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Posted: 13 Feb. 2020 at 11:03pm |
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Haven't had a chance to get back to the project to look for causes of the camber issue, but decided to but a few pictures up in the meantime. It is worse on the left side, at least worse to me when viewing in person. The toe still needs to be corrected as well.
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Posted: 13 Feb. 2020 at 11:53pm |
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Positive camber is normal as it's designed that way on every solid front axle vehicle that I know of, and it's needed.
Pics sometimes can appear distorted to the viewer, but I don't see anything wrong. |
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 2:09am |
I would agree with the above. I would also suggest that the angle lessens once the toe is dialed in. The block isn’t a factor in my opinion as well. Looks like a nice Jeep by the way!
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 2:18am |
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Camber is published in the Universal Service manual to be 1.5 degrees for all CJ models (4wd). This equates to the top of the wheel overhanging the bottom by about 3/4 of an inch. Your right angle square shows that's just about what you have. I'd say everything is normal. Nice Jeep!
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 4:26am |
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Thanks for all the feedback. I'll just finish a few minor details including adjusting the toe and go for a ride. Guess I was worried about nothing. I have done several full rebuilds on cars and trucks, but never anything with 4wd or a straight axle do I assumed the positive camber should not be there. I'm
used to looking at wheels/tires that usually have close to "0" camber. Nice to know the camber is pretty close to where it should be. Thanks for the info
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 12:20pm |
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Camber is affected by ride height as well. When doing a Front End Alignment you check / set ride height, camber , caster and toe is last. When you sit in the drivers seat it will change the angle slightly. You stated that the drivers side is sitting higher than the passenger side so the camber is going to be off when compared.
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 1:55pm |
? Hmmmm...... I always though toe-in is all that is adjustable on these ol ' rigs. |
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 2:31pm |
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Caster and camber are set for life on a a Dana model 25 axle...unless something is damaged.
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 2:51pm |
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Glen is thinking of his GM independent or SLA suspensions.
On solid, or 'live' axles, camber does not change with ride height.
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 3:40pm |
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Posted: 14 Feb. 2020 at 3:42pm |
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I stand corrected, Keith is correct.
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Posted: 18 Feb. 2020 at 3:36am |
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Now another problem, set the toe and everything looked good. Jumped in to move the Jeep to a different area and when I turn to the left the right tire rubs on the right spring in the front. Running stock rims with 6-16 tires. The tire shouldn’t rub but it does. I’m out of ideas. Anybody else experience this problem with stock tire and wheel sizes?
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Posted: 18 Feb. 2020 at 4:52am |
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Your wheel stop probably needs adjustment.
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