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    Posted: 19 Feb. 2013 at 11:35pm

I am totally new to the Bantam trailer scene.  Always thought they were cool,  but never really considered getting one until theCJ2Apage got me hooked.   . .  I was torn between finding a nice restorable Bantam, or getting a very cheap basket-case that I would not feel so bad about modifying,  (and using).

As things worked out, I am going the basket-case route. LOL . . I picked up the orphan that nobody wanted, and will give it new life. . . The PO said basically - > he was planning to haul wood etc. in it, until it fell apart, then he would remove some parts, and scrap the rest. . . . so - > maybe I saved its life.
 
It is a little rusty! Ouch   Not visible in photos is the approx 15" extension and replacement coupler (the Fulton is gone).  . . .  It does have the stock landing leg and casting.   Also not shown in these photos,  the outside beams of the frame are in bad shape in places,  and will need to be replaced.
 
 
View from driver rear.  .  I am not sure what this plate was supposed to be.  It is approx .090" thick and has that slotted bracket. . .   First thing I did was cut that whole plate off.  Smile
 
At some point the taillights and rear panel were modified.   It is not original,  but I think I like that "angular" look and might keep it.   No tailgate,  just a slot to slide a flat panel into.   I will make a pivoting tailgate.
 
 
I think rocks must have been dropped into this trailer at some point in its life.  The sides of the bed are very dented and distorted.  . . Hopefully I can "dolly" most of that out. . . That will be a learning experience.
 
View from passenger rear.   Not "quite" as rusty as driver side,  but not pretty.  . .  As you can see in a couple of the photos,  the steel floor is totally gone. .  it has a simple wood floor.  I will be removing that and replacing,  but not sure with what at this point.
 
 
This corner might be a challenging repair.   Still thinking on best way to do that. (to look somewhat original)
 
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This will be a low-budget project. . .  I have some unique plans for it,  and will share more as I progress.  . .   I haved drooled over some of the beautiful, meticulous restoration projects on this forum.  . .  This one will be a little different.  LOL
 


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Hey! JeepFever:

I think you have a working project in your hands but very duable.  Don't worry, just ask the questions as you go.  First thing I would do is sandblast it properly and see what you have to work with to start.  What kind of restoration are you going for?  A complete resto or just a working trailer restoration for now.

I said the same thing when I started my restoration and ended putting in $2800 on my restoration.  But I got the look that I wanted out of the whole deal.  

I'm sure you'll get more inquiries on your trailer.  Just my 2 cents worth, you can find the tailgate and the floor for your trailer.  Just ask and you'll see.  At the moment I forgot where but I know I have read on this site where others have found theirs.  Good luck and keep us updated on your restoration okay my friend.

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Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

I think you have a working project in your hands but very duable.  Don't worry, just ask the questions as you go.  First thing I would do is sandblast it properly and see what you have to work with to start.  What kind of restoration are you going for?  A complete resto or just a working trailer restoration for now.
 
I am planning on a "working" trailer, , one that will look good from 20ft,  and impress a novice LOL  . . .  It will unfortunately have a lot of "non-correct" parts on it.    My scope might change,  but I really doubt I will have more than $500 in it when done.  (not including the MANY hours of my labor,  haha).   I plan to do all the work myself.
 
This trailer will be used to haul firewood,  rocks,  dirt,  etc.   . .  I will not abuse it,  but I will use it.
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Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

I said the same thing when I started my restoration and ended putting in $2800 on my restoration.  But I got the look that I wanted out of the whole deal.  
 
Yours is one of those that I drool over. Smile    Some day,  if I ever find one with data plate and a title,  and in decent restorable shape,  I might try to make a correct one.  .  I will practice on this one first.
 
I need to find the thread to your build,   I think it had a lot of photos that might answer my first questions.  - -> are the side channels of frame "L" shaped or "C" shaped.   My trailer has an "L" shape,   3"x1.75"   . .  It seems odd to me that the cross braces,  and tongue are "C" shapes,  but the sides are "L"  . .  I would have expected sides to be "C" also,  and the floor lay on top of it.
second part of that question - -> how does the floor connect to the side rails.  In some photos,  it almost looks like the floor is simply butted up against the side rail,  and welded. 

Hope all that makes sense.   This frame has had some obvious patching done already,  and I do not know what is original,  and what is a patch.
 
 edit:  I had a few more minutes,  so went out to find the thread,  this is it:
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/started-teardown-on-my-bantam_topic14934_page1.html
 
This is area I have question on,  but can't quite make out what is going on:
 



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You have a great trailer to do a project on!
 
To answer your question the side rails are just metal bent on 90 degrees.
 
Here is a good picture on my latest find sn: 191
 


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JeepFever:

I guess 48cj2a "Art" answered your question, lol.  THANKS Art.  As far as the floor is concerned, it was all welded to the side panels.

You know, when I started my restoration, I was going for not spending no more than $500 too!!! And the end result was spending more than what I bargained for.  Your scope truly changes once the restoration starts.

I still recommend that you do a full sandblast on your trailer.  Believe me, you'll find things more cleaner and you'll be able to tell right away what you have to do on the trailer.

I can't really tell from the angle but just to ask, are those combat wheels on your trailer or regular CJ2A wheels?

I'm glad you found the tread about my project AND THANKS for the complements :).  I hope you find the answers you are looking for in it.  There is even information on the hinges that you will need for the tailgate.  I'm not a welder or fabricator but I think mine turned out to be a pretty good project after all.  Don't know, you'll be the judge on that.

So please, as you continue your restoration project, don't forget to take pictures and post them.  By any weird chance have you looked for an ACM number under the trailer?  Some have it and some don't.  Mine didn't have one so don't worry if you don't find one.  Ask Art, he will guide you on where to find it.  LOL, at the present time I forget where is the darn thing is stamped.  My aging brain, you know., lol.

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Yes, thanks Art for the photo!  That very clearly shows the frame shape.   Since that does not have a floor I was still wondering how it attached.   I did find in one of Joel's photos  (one of the bright red ones LOL) a view from bottom,  where you can clearly see two thicknesses of sheet metal,  welded to the frame.  . .    I assumed that meant the floor is bent down 90 deg,  and placed outside the frame,  then  the side is place outside of that, and both are welded to frame at same time.  . . 
 
I definately plan to remove all the paint first before any repairs.   In my case some of that will be wire wheel on grinder,  some of it sanding disk,  and the hard to reach spots will be with a small sandblasting gun.
 
Those are '2A style wheels,  (with slots in them).   One is KH style,  one is Motor style Confused
 
I "think" I read somewhere the ACM number is on bottom the frame rail, near the front driver-side spring mount.  (maybe even under it?).  Do I have to remove the mount to see the number?   I will be taking the mounts off to repair the frame rails anyway.
 
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Originally posted by 48cj2a 48cj2a wrote:

You have a great trailer to do a project on!
 
You have not seen the bad pictures yet! LOL
 
I will enjoy the project though.   I will be satisfying to take something about to be scrapped and preserve it.
 
I moved the trailer outside to do some grinding.   This view shows the hitch extention.   Also notice how the landing leg tilts,  the nuts are so rusty that they are almost pulled thru the holes.
 
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The body was not fastened on the sides at all.   Just 2 bolts in the front,  and welded brace in rear.  Here is photo of body propped up.   . .   You can see cracked frame above spring mount.
 
 
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Above spring mount on passenger side . .  not just a crack,  the whole section is gone.   It is amazing this trailer did not just break in half. Ouch
 
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From rear: . Here you can see all the framing that was replaced with C-channel,   and the rear brace.  It is a piece of 1/4" thick, welded on the sides and all the way across the bottom.   I had to cut that long weld to get the body off.  . .  I left the brace tied to the sides for now (since there is no floor).  That way I could take the body off without twisting too badly. 
 
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A view showing the banged-up sides . .  and another view of the frame rot.
 
 
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I ran out of daylight,   but finally got the add-on brace cut off the back,  (so I could remove the body).  They had welded a 3ft long piece of 3/8" threaded rod in the gap.   I had to grind and cut out that rod and the bubble gum weld job. Ouch   You can see the remants of the long weld on the top corner of the rear crossmember.
 
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My night-time work area.   You can see the body moved to side,  and the add-on brace that I had to cut off.
 
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I thought this was a cool looking photo.
 


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JeepFever:

Dude, you have yourself a REAL project on your hands for sure :)  But don't be dismayed.  It is very do able.  I imagine, for the looks of your pictures, that you have a lot of welding to do.  You did say you are mechanically inclined, right, lol :P  I'm just saying cause I'm not.  I thank my lucky stars that all the welding I had to do was very minor and had some coaching on it from the former owner of the trailer, so that was that.

The last picture you posted was awesome.  I do believe those are the wrong type of tires on that trailer too, you know.  Are you going to replace them?

I was lucky enough that I found my little gem in an Avocado grove.  It was used to haul manure, avocados and farm equipment among other things too.  The former owner never knew he had a classic sitting right on his front yard.  Well, now he knows and he saw what I did to it and now he would love to have it back, lol.  Well, that's a little tough, huh!!!!, lol.

If you don't mind me asking, what color are you going to paint yours?  Just curious, that's all.  What other progress have you made on your trailer?  Anything lately?  Keep us posted.

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Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

Dude, you have yourself a REAL project on your hands for sure :)  But don't be dismayed.  It is very do able.  I imagine, for the looks of your pictures, that you have a lot of welding to do.  
I sometimes wonder how crazy I must be to attempt this LOL. . . it would have been easier to wait, and hopefully find one in better conditon.
 
Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

  I do believe those are the wrong type of tires on that trailer too, you know. Are you going to replace them?
 
Those tires are in bad shape,  they will be replaced,  but not sure what brand/type new ones will be.
 
Originally posted by canorisa canorisa wrote:

If you don't mind me asking, what color are you going to paint yours? Just curious, that's all. What other progress have you made on your trailer? Anything lately? Keep us posted.
 
I will be painting it o.d. green.  Two reasons:  1) to match my '2A,  using leftover paint  2) a non-glossy paint will help hide all the dents LOL     Speaking of color . . I have not determined original color for sure.  The original color of axle was definately green.  I am unsure on the body.  There is a lot of red as first coat,   but I found green as lowest level in a couple places.
 
This past weekend I made some progress:
I removed the axle,  sandblasted, painted,  and restalled with new U-bolts.  I probably would not have fooled with this,  but the nuts on U-bolts appeared to be rusted away.  This took longer than expected because as it turned out,  a previous owner had welded the U-bolts to the spring plate!! Angry  (rather than replace the nuts or entire U-bolt,  they simply welded everything) . . lots of grinding for me.
 
Fenders: 
1) pounded out 3 really bad dents,  and a bunch of smaller ones.   
2) welded all the cracks,  and welded in patches where metal was too thin,  or rusted away 
3) primer   . . .  almost ready to paint
 
Body:
1) lightly sandblasted everything to remove any flaking paint
2) pound out some of the dents.   Still lots to do,  but I was encouraged that maybe this may not be as bad as I first thought.
3) came up with a plan to fix multiple issues,  and a plan to replace the missing floor.
 
 
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Ron:

I know that you must be feeling like you have lost your mind some where in the middle of the road with this project/build but you are not the first one my friend.  Here is a BT3-C I picked up after the big fire in Southern Cal back in 2003.  This trailer was burned to the ground and it was just crispy when I purchased it.  Talk about crazy....just look at the way and condition this trailer was in...


AND this is what I did with it after all was said and done.....


So, stick with it my friend.  Give that baby life again, lol :P  Look at it this way, you might be spending more money and time than she might be worth in the end BUT it's all a labor of love, lol.  Isn't that cute, lol.  You have to find the humor some where, lol.  By the way, what does the wife thinks about your latest project?  I know my EX had a fit every time I brought one home, lol.  I have done a total of 7 trailers all together and all 7 she griped and complained but I'm happy to report that she is an EX today, lol. 

OD Green sounds like a great color to put on her.  If you take a look at my build, you will see what type of wheels and tires I put on mine.  I even put where I got them from and how much I paid.  It would be great if you could find yourself a pair of CJ2A wheels.  That would complement your trailer well.  Just make sure the wheels are 16".

BTW, next time, and if you have time and took some, post some more pictures of the continuing progress of your trailer.  I would be much interested in seeing the progress in her.

Talk more laters.  It's almost 2 pm here in Thailand and I'm now officially hungry, lol.  

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Joel . . BIG difference,  from rusty hulk to "like new" white trailer.  Smile
 
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I did a little work tonite on the frame. .   I started cutting out some of the rot.   Unfortunately the photos are not from same angle,   but hopefully shows "before" and "after" difference.
 
 
After cutting out the rot on side frame:
 
 
Before I go any further . . .   Art,  or any other experts - ->  should I be able to find an ACM number anywhere in this area?    I do not see any numbers,  but not sure where to look.
 
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Originally posted by JeepFever JeepFever wrote:

Before I go any further . . .   Art,  or any other experts - ->  should I be able to find an ACM number anywhere in this area?    I do not see any numbers,  but not sure where to look.
 
The answers are on bantamTC3.com,  THANKS to Art !!
 
It is under the left front (driver side) spring mount and gusset plate:
If your frame has rectangular end caps on the front you will most likely not have an ACM number:
This type end frame caps would have an ACM number:
 
Unfortunately,  mine has the rectangular endcaps,  so no ACM number. Cry
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I spent a little time this week on trailer.  Unfortunately went backwards at first,  but now feel like I can start moving forward.
 
Yesterday I planned to weld in the frame patches.  My first action was to clamp a scrap piece of angle iron to bottom of frame,  to make it straight before welding.  Unfortunately,  instead of making the frame rail straight,  the angle iron bowed. Shocked
 
As it turns out, a PO stuffed the gap seen in this photo with a bolt, and welded it in:
 
 
That basically permanently forced the bow in frame you can see here:
 
I have no idea why he would have done that.
 
Today I used a grinder and Sawzall to remove all the extra crap that was welded in.  What a pain!   Currently,  everything forward of the spring mount is cut away, and in separate pieces.  Hopefully tomorrow,  I can start putting things back together again.  Smile
 
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I made some progress yesterday.
 
Some of the frame sections were removed earlier in the week.  Yesterday,  I cut out any remaining rot, and replaced with new "L" channel.   Currently it is only tack-welded.  I am hoping to do some repair to the body today,  and do a test fit.  
 
Here is a photo of my precision frame jig  . . . a 2x10, jackstands, some scrap angle,  and a bunch of clamps.
 
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This method actually worked better than I expected.  It held the crosspieces very level and square.  I did a lot of measuring,  front/back, side-to-side, and across the corners.
 
As mentioned earlier in thread,  a lot of this frame is not original,  someone welded in that "H" shaped center section.  Not original,  but it is sturdy.
 
This side-view shows where the frame was cut out.  (passenger rear not cut yet)
 
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Patch sections are tack-welded in.   I made these from a large steel shelf out of scrap bin.  I cut the edges off to 3.25" wide.  It is thicker material than original frame,  but those are good locations on the frame for a litte extra strength.
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Not bad, looks like it will be back in service soon.
 
Gotta love scrap bin parts....looks like it was just the ticket you needed!
 
Are you going to gusset the repairs on the inside of the frame any?
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Originally posted by F Bill F Bill wrote:

Not bad, looks like it will be back in service soon.
 
Gotta love scrap bin parts....looks like it was just the ticket you needed!
 
Are you going to gusset the repairs on the inside of the frame any?
 
They throw away some nice stuff at work sometimes.  Anytime I have a project I visit the scrap bin every day.  LOL  
 
I was looking at some pictures of stock trailers and noticed those gussets.   I plan to add some today.
 
 
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Some other projects around the house have deadlines approaching, so I decided to get this trailer in working condition, then came back later in a few weeks to make it look nice.

The frame is mostly done, other than add some more gussets etc., and some day I want to replace the spring bushings etc.

Next step was to get the body started, and fastened to the frame. The body has a lot of rot all around the bottom where it was attached to the frame. I decided to make a rectangular "rim" out of 1"x1" angle-iron to be the bottom of body. It will provide a ledge to attach a floor to.

I set the pieces of angle-iron on the frame, cut to length and welded it together (the tailgate end is just a temporary brace) . . by assembling it on the frame, I knew it would fit later.

I took this "rim", flipped it over and clamped to upside-down body, ,   then tack-welded what was left of the body to the "rim":

 
 
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Here is a photo showing the body set onto frame. After this photo was taken I drilled some holes, and bolted the body-assembly to the frame. . .  Someday I will come back and make patches for all the missing body sections, and more securely fasten the assembly to the frame.

 
 
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For the tongue, I cut off the cobbled up ball entension, and fabbed a lunette ring. This will be more functional for my use.  . . .  Much easier to connect/disconnect in the 'field", and a more flexible joint over rough terrain.

I threw some plywood in for a bed and took for a test spin:

 
 
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This is another photo, not sure why I am including, except we all like photos. :)

 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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It is already back together and you are using it? Cool! That's quite a load of firewood you have there.
 
BTW if you are using photobreakit for your pics you need to have task manager ready to shut down the window PB is in. Their new software is really buggy from what I have seen. That way you can keep going.


Edited by F Bill - 07 Mar. 2013 at 9:22am
If you haven't checked out the tech FAQ section, go to:
http://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/tech-faq_forum57.html
for a lot of great stuff you need to know!!

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