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Originally posted by rocnroll rocnroll wrote:

Originally posted by willys54wagon willys54wagon wrote:

.......... out the mahogany wood it came shipped in. 
 
ShockedShocked  whaaaaaaaaaat? WOW!
 
 
 

Was thinking the same thing Big smile
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Originally posted by harvey45 harvey45 wrote:

I have to agree with your there but some  do not have the welding skills or the ability to make a jig.   To hire it done which is a possibility would be very expensive and equal to the tub material. My opinion.      
I am a  fan of Classic Enterprises as well but no two wheel wells grooves are exact.  They do not even match the original 2a which is a short and long.  Then again it is a replacement part.  So how original is original?   
The most important thing is to drive and enjoy your Jeep.Smile
 
Most of the body work on my tub I hired out. Yes, it was expensive, but it was equivalent to buying a repro tub and the welding equipment required to repair the original and so on... I'm not including the final finishing and paint, just the body work on mine. I didn't know at first how badly damaged the body was.
 
If you feel the need to be so completely original, then be prepared to repair the original panels. If the panels are so badly damaged they must be replaced, then you have to be prepared to search and pay for original panels. At that point your Jeep will technically not be original anymore right?
It's not an easy decision in most cases.
 
Where do you draw the line concerning originality?
 
Personally I applaud Lowenuf's build....it is like a CJ-2A would look from the factory...maybe a LITTLE better Wink
 
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LaMont had some issues early on when we started our project, with some dimensions being incorrect...
 
Once we provided him with drawings showing actual numbers, he made adjustments to several 2A panels.....
 
My tub is proof, that the adjustments resolved the issues......
 
The only downfall to Class Ent, is that LaMont does not have the means to assemble his panels into complete units......and my opinion is mainly because he is so diversified with the brands he makes...and i also think he has trouble retaining reliant help.....
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so it all boils down to American made . and complete . So  Classic    Get to work. and sell comp' units . or we take up a collection and buy Mr green's  dies and make our own . I'm game for either
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Originally posted by harvey45 harvey45 wrote:

I am a  fan of Classic Enterprises as well but no two wheel wells grooves are exact.  They do not even match the original 2a which is a short and long.  Then again it is a replacement part.  So how original is original?   
The most important thing is to drive and enjoy your Jeep.Smile
 
If you are referring to CE ribs atop the inner fenderwells.... The strengthening ribs on both of my CE inner wheelwells each have a long and a short rib.....
 
The thing incorrect about both of my inners, and my CE rear floor panel are that the very ends of the ribs do not carry the exact same profile as the originals, but in contrast, if you look at my tub pics showing the rear floor and toolbox in the same photo, you will notice the profile is very close in detail :)
 
 


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Yes, but if they made 2A and 3A tubs as well as their MB tubs we would all be happy Wink
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Originally posted by mogger7 mogger7 wrote:

Check out low's  pages on rebuilding his tub.  He has done a great job  and used american made pnl's  from classic enterprises. Thats the only way to do it if you want a true cj2a by deminsions . (rear wheel housings etc..) all the repos are based on a 3a  which works  if you don't have the equip  to do any welding  and fabwork .  I came close to ordering  from willys overland  but decided to Keep my 2a  a 2a  because my grandfather bought it new in 48. You can get every thing from Classic   for $2700.00 (ballpark$)  if you have good cowl and good fenders hood and grill'
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I have to agree with your there but some  do not have the welding skills or the ability to make a jig.   To hire it done which is a possibility would be very expensive and equal to the tub material. My opinion.      
I am a  fan of Classic Enterprises as well but no two wheel wells grooves are exact.  They do not even match the original 2a which is a short and long.  Then again it is a replacement part.  So how original is original?   
The most important thing is to drive and enjoy your Jeep.Smile


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I can't really comment on current MD Juan production, but 5-6 years ago I got involved in a deal to buy several tubs .  when they arrived there were small kids footprints in the primer. (2-3 inches long).
 
I bought a CJ5 fender that didn't look at all like in was hammer formed gradually with a ball pein. It looked like it was formed with a log and 2 rocks.
 
I wouldn't buy a tub I have not seen yet.
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Originally posted by mogger7 mogger7 wrote:

Check out low's  pages on rebuilding his tub.  He has done a great job  and used american made pnl's  from classic enterprises. Thats the only way to do it if you want a true cj2a by deminsions . (rear wheel housings etc..) all the repos are based on a 3a  which works  if you don't have the equip  to do any welding  and fabwork .  I came close to ordering  from willys overland  but decided to Keep my 2a  a 2a  because my grandfather bought it new in 48. You can get every thing from Classic   for $2700.00 (ballpark$)  if you have good cowl and good fenders hood and grill'
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That was the route I took also. Everything I ordered from Classic Enterprises was quality.
I'm very happy with the way my body tub turned out!
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Check out low's  pages on rebuilding his tub.  He has done a great job  and used american made pnl's  from classic enterprises. Thats the only way to do it if you want a true cj2a by deminsions . (rear wheel housings etc..) all the repos are based on a 3a  which works  if you don't have the equip  to do any welding  and fabwork .  I came close to ordering  from willys overland  but decided to Keep my 2a  a 2a  because my grandfather bought it new in 48. You can get every thing from Classic   for $2700.00 (ballpark$)  if you have good cowl and good fenders hood and grill'
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Here is video of MD Juan there main market is MB tubs.  I have used their 2a tubs and 3a tubs never had a issue but does take some work.  The most common alignment for replacement tubs is the rear end clips as they are already drilled and you go from their.    

Willys Overland is unique as they use a Jig to drill all the holes.  They bolt the jig to the back of the for rear clips on the tub..  The sleeves are installed to match their jig even if it does not match up with hat channel  
If your frame is bend or warped a good chance those predrilled holes will not match up.
I have never see a perfect cherry frame. 
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It was not the best wood and the closet was not fancy, basically a box, but we have a jeep closet.
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Originally posted by willys54wagon willys54wagon wrote:

.......... out the mahogany wood it came shipped in. 
 
ShockedShocked  whaaaaaaaaaat? WOW!
 
 
 
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I HAVE BOUGHT NUMEROUS REPO TUBS...BEST ONE I FOUND WAS WILLYS OVERLAND IN TOLEDO OHIO...WELL WORTH THE X-TRA $$$

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I bought my complete kit from jc whitney in the early 90's.   It a mutt tub with mb, m38 and 2a features.   It was not perfect but am happy with it.   Drilled my own holes and robbed things from the old tub.   Would have been harder without the old tub around. At that time I think the complete kit was bout $1,400 and I got the free shipping.
 
Bonus was I made a free standing closet for the wife out the mahogany wood it came shipped in.  We call it the jeep closet.
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Sandusky I beleive someday we will see even more USA made jeep parts. But....they won't come at MD Juan pricing, either. A guys gotta eat ya know.
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Hey Guys,  Don't get me wrong I'm Much Happier with my Repop. body than I would of been restoring my orig. It turned out very nice. I'm just envious of the workmanship that comes out of a shop that probably doesn't have alot of stamping dies and presses  to move metal in stages to produce these parts. If not done in stages I believe you get some buckling and distortion. All the  type of thing that can be overcome by a good Body Man. I have always believed in running a business as close to the bone as possible. (if you'd been in my shop you'd understand)  I wish these parts were being built here in the U.S.A. !!!   Sandusky
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