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Rockgod1619
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All the parts for this part of the build were ordered from Walcks. Yeah, I'll be eliminating the heater. I was under the impression that using a bypass hose would help with cooling vs just plugging the holes?
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Bruce W
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I don't know that a hose from the rear of the head to the water pump will have any effect on cooling efficiency. Jeeps that left the factory without a heater did not have a hose in its place, the ports were plugged. The bypass hose that was used on CJ3A's and the F-head was connected from the front of the head to the water pump. An extra coolant hose in the engine compartment is just something else to have a chance to leak.
Did that hose barb with the washers come with the pump, or did you buy that extra?
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Rockgod1619
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I bought those extra, to run the bypass hose. If a bypass hose isn't going to increase cooling efficiency, then I don't really see a need in running one.
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Rockgod1619
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Well I was working today on all the cooling system woes and I was attempting to remove the stopcock from the rear top of the block where the heater hose outlet was so I could put a pipe plug in it. It broke off at the threads, even with the top of the block. Anyone got any ideas on how to get it out without too much trouble?
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Anvil
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If you don't have an extractor that size, heat it up with a torch, then take a hacksaw blade and saw into the ID of the fitting until you hit the minor diameter of the threads. Take your time and observe carefully while doing this to avoid cutting too far. Once you've cut down to the minor diameter, usually a good hard smack with a hammer and chisel next to your cut (from the OD towards the ID) will fold it up enough that it'll come right out. You may be able to skip the hacksaw blade part after you heat it up by just tapping lightly it counterclockwise with a hammer and chisel to unscrew it. If you do that, try to do in such a fashion that you don't expand the threads tighter into the casting. |
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Rockgod1619
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Thanks for the input! A good buddy of mine that used to be a mechanic is going to bring an Easy Out over later this week, so hopefully that'll do the trick!
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Thanks for the input! A good buddy of mine that used to be a mechanic is going to bring an Easy Out over later this week, so hopefully that'll do the trick! [/QUOTE]
As a rule easy outs are not
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Rockgod1619
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Removed the speedometer and discovered why it didn't work. There wasn't a cable attached! Also replaced the old temp gauge with a new one that I tested before installation to make sure it works! I'll be installing a speedometer cable soon. Really hoping the connection point on the TC isn't too gunked up...
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[/QUOTE] Now that's funny. I like Anvil's approach. I've never had good luck with easy outs, though on occasion they do work.
Thanks for the input! A good buddy of mine that used to be a mechanic is going to bring an Easy Out over later this week, so hopefully that'll do the trick! [/QUOTE] As a rule easy outs are not |
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Rockgod1619
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Thanks for the input! A good buddy of mine that used to be a mechanic is going to bring an Easy Out over later this week, so hopefully that'll do the trick! [/QUOTE] As a rule easy outs are not Yeah I'm going to give it a try. But I've got a fresh hacksaw blade ready just in case!
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Rockgod1619
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Well the (Not So) Easy Out didn't do jack squat! I got it in there and put enough muscle on it to break a jaw off a 1/2" wrench! Soaked the threads multiple times in brake fluid, PB Blaster, and another penetrating oil a friend of mine had. Still nothing. So I guess my next step is to try to saw vertically through what's left of the stopcock in a few places and try to break it loose. Unfortunately I can't get a jigsaw in there under the cowl, which would make it go a lot faster. Hand power it is!
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Rockgod1619
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Yep, Easy Out didn't work. Internal Pipe Wrench didn't work. Sawing didn't work. I hate to say it, but Bubba might get ahold of it...
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Joe DeYoung
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I would not have taken a hacksaw to it as you will (have) undoubtedly saw into the threads. Tapered pipe threads seal by close fit of male threads to the female threads and if you have a line in it, you now have a path for a leak.
If it were mine, I would run a weld bead all around the inside of the fitting. That will have a tendency to shrink the material. Then I would weld a bolt to bead laid down and unscrew the fitting. If the weld fails before fitting comes out, then repeat the process and eventually it will come out. Don't worry about welding the fitting or screw to the head. The head is cast iron and the weld wont stick to that.
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Rockgod1619
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Well the hacksaw method was recommended here, but it was my last resort. Either way, it didn't work and I probably didn't get all the way through the brass anyway. Speaking of brass, can you weld it? I know you can braze it, but as far as I know, weld won't stick to it. Either way, I've gotta figure out how to either get this piece of pipe nipple out, or figure out a way to stop it up where it won't leak. This is holding up the whole show!
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Joe DeYoung
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I didn't realize that the fitting was brass, so yes, welding is out. You could still braze it but it will be kind of tough to lay a bead around the ID in the vertical position it's in. I would clean it up really well and braze a piece of brass rod to it. If you still can get it out, cut it off just above flush, grind it flat and pretty, and call it a day. You can always deal with it at a later day when you have more time. |
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Rockgod1619
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Yeah, it's already broken off below the top of the block in most spots. And I think the "Easy Out" only served to press the brass tightly into the threads of the block. I'm wondering if I'm just going to have to thread a short, fat bolt into it, with Permatex #2 to help make a seal, and *gulp* JB Weld around the bolt head. This one thing has turned into way more trouble than it's worth at this point, and I'm ready to move on with the rest of the project.
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Rockgod1619
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This is what it looks like currently.
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Could you heat it up with a torch and pry it out?
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