roll bar... or no

snave wrote: 2 cents worth from an "old man". Go to Jeepevans channel on You tube. Go to his videos.  Look at the "thumbnail" on Wheelin for Toys 2019. That's me inside my roll cage. (yes my hand is in the wrong place) We prefer a six point cage tied to the frame and good belts.  What looks best is up to the individual, that's understandable.  We just like for everyone to be safe. As is written "individual mileage may differ". Fuzz

Edited by jeepsterjim - 24 Jan. 2020 at 11:06pm

post pics. i dont understand what styles of roll bar actually help 

I have a roll bar and seat belts.  I would not drive my '46 without them.

If Stan hits his head on a rock-a rock's gonna get busted..

Bridog wrote: 47-old-red wrote: post pics. i dont understand what styles of roll bar actually help  The first level of roll over protection would be to add a simple hoop that would be bolted to the rear fenders and extend above the occupants heads. This pic of the roll bar in Grandpa's Jeep would be an example of that. It is made out of 1.5" x .120" DOM tubing and weighs in at less than 50 lbs.     The roll cage in Rojo which I mentioned in an earlier post would be closer to the maximum level of roll over protection that I have seen in a CJ2A. It completely surrounds the occupants, is tied into the frame, and is also made out of the same 1.5" x .120" DOM tubing. Tube size and placement is typically a compromise between safety, accessibility, and desired look. Hope this helps.

Bike helmets are similar.  When I was a kid no one wore them.  30 years ago they were getting really common, but it just seemed weird, unnecessary and overly constraining, so I kept not wearing one.  Then 20 years ago our pastor fell on his bike and hit his head on the pavement.  He didn't get out of the hospital for a couple of months, and wasn't able to go home for almost 2 years.  He never was anywhere near the same again.

A few years ago myself and others witnessed a friend lose control of his rollbar equipped 3B. He was not belted in. He exited the trail at a +- 45 deg decline and was pitched out 20-30 yards from the departure and received moderate injuries. The jeep continued down the mtn, clipped another jeep on a lower switchback, continued another 100 or so yards and came to an abrupt stop in a small boulder strewn crevice. 50 to zero in an instant. The B never rolled but was destroyed. Had he been belted in chances for survival were none. When it's your time, well it's your time. Fortunately for him it was not his time.

Tom in RI wrote: What are the cleanest ways to tie a RB to the frame?

Here is a pic of how we tied the roll cage mounts on Rojo into the frame. The mount by the tailgate is pretty easily done because there is room to sneak a tube running from the roll bar mount to the frame. This tube is 1 1/2" square tubing. The mount right behind the front seats is tough...especially if narrow track axles are used which limits the clearance between the inner fenderwell and the tire. Combine that lack of clearance with the frame being a few inches inside of the rear floorboard and it is tough to carry the load without the support being heavy. In this case the material used was 1/2" x 4" flat iron. The frame tie in for the front hoop of the cage was made with the same 1 1/2" square tubing. It is cantilevered quite a bit off the frame so we strengthened the frame surface with 1/4" plate to spread the load out on the thin wall of the frame.







The frame width for Elmo is wider, more robust, and designed to more readily accept roll cage and rock slider mounts so it might not be quite as applicable for folks running stock frames, but maybe some ideas may generated by a couple pics of what we did. The axles are also going to be wider so the inner fenderwell clearance is opened up a little.