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chasendeer 
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 Posted: 16 Oct. 2021 at 12:48pm |
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Does anybody have the seal number for the 30 spline shaft?
Thanks Jay
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Posted: 16 Oct. 2021 at 9:00pm |
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Posted: 28 Oct. 2021 at 9:10pm |
 
To update my progress on the Full Floater. I took my Dutchman 30 spline axles to my local machine shop and had them turn them down to fit the Jpet spindle which cost under $200. I also had them polish them to give me a better service for a seal. The spline end is 1.373" and the flange end is 1.250" so I couldn't get a standard seal that would work. I went with Brennan's suggestion and had a seal housing made that fits a seal-it style seal in the axle housing.
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Posted: 28 Oct. 2021 at 9:14pm |
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Good work Ernie,
I’ve collected a few orders for spindles and I’m getting ready to run them so if anyone else wants some, they need to pm me soon. Once I set up, I need to run as many as possible. |
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Posted: 28 Oct. 2021 at 11:52pm |
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PM sent Jpet!
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Posted: 29 Oct. 2021 at 12:02am |
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Hi Jeff,
I'm sending you spindles to do three sets for my friends. Thanks for doing this!
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Posted: 29 Oct. 2021 at 12:27am |
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Roger that.
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Posted: 29 Oct. 2021 at 8:38pm |
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This is the seal housing I had made to fit in the bearing pocket of the D44. I brought in a bearing cup and had the outside of the housing made the same size so it can be driven in where the bearing cup would fit. This style seal can stretch over the larger spline end of the Dutchman axle yet seal the flange end. I dry tested it on the Dutchman axle. I do not have it operational yet but I think this is going to work great thanks to Brennan for the suggestion! 
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Posted: 30 Oct. 2021 at 10:07pm |
1541 or 4130? What was the depth of hardening? I'm a little skeptical of turning down an axle that is surface hardened like the 1541 versions. I had Jeff machine my spindles longer on the inside as I was going to mount the caliper brackets inside. That ended up making the assembly wider than I wanted so I re-machined the inner side of those spindles to make a light press fit in the axle seal seat and machined press in rings to fill the remainder of that seat. I used a Seals-it spanning between in inside bore of the spindle and my press in filler. I have another pair of Seals-it in the axle tubes just outside the carrier bearings (this is a "wide tread" FC 150 housing with 2 3/4 OD tubes).   I still have not ordered the shafts but they will be Dutchman 4130.
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Posted: 31 Oct. 2021 at 10:37am |
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I ordered the Dutchman 4130.
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Posted: 31 Oct. 2021 at 11:02am |
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Posted: 24 Nov. 2021 at 11:52am |
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Posted: 24 Nov. 2021 at 6:27pm |
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Santa's workshop has been busy!
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Posted: 31 Jan. 2022 at 5:43pm |
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Short update: I received my Dutchman 4130 axles a couple weeks back. Both of these axles have the same, nearly identical profile. From the flange inward to 9 inches, they are a nominal 1.250 diameter. From 9 inches to 10 inches, they taper up to a pretty even 1.323" which is maintained all the way to the machining at the spline major. I had Dutchman carry that machining in 6.5" so I could polish the inner seal surface on it. I ran the boring bar down Jeff's spindles to open them up to 1.330" and everything slid in easy. I'm using two sets of Seals-it seals on these. The inner is just inside the axle tubes next to the carrier bearing caps and the other set in the back of the spindles.
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Posted: 08 Feb. 2022 at 9:43am |
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On the seals by the bearing cap did you make a piece to hold the seal in place?
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Posted: 08 Feb. 2022 at 4:22pm |
Seals-it recommended the copper RTV and that is what I used to "stick" them in the tubes. A light push fit.
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Posted: 23 Jan. 2023 at 7:00pm |
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I'm needing to order some ff/30s axles for a rear offset narrow track D44 that will (hopefully) use Brennans spindles. Was tapered axle. Looking at Dutchman's site, these axles don't appear to be listed. What did you guys order as far as part#, description etc? Online or does it take a call? I only have the old drivers side axle if it's a made to measure affair. I can deal with any diameters that need to be reduced/polished. More concerned about length. Thanks.
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Posted: 24 Jan. 2023 at 12:10pm |
These will not be an off-the-shelf item with any of the axle manufactures that I am aware of. You will need to fill out Dutchman's custom axle form and that requires giving them all the dimensions you need, including the length. The sure way to do this is to get the spindles and hubs you are going to use and at least mocked up in final form and then measure for the lengths from the hub mounting flange to the inside of the side gears-for a flanged shaft. You need to add the length of the drive flange splines if going that route. This is a LOT easier to do BEFORE you install any seals when you can actually get the tape to hang on the inside of the side gears.
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