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Mark W. 
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 Posted: 10 Mar. 2023 at 7:54pm |
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I got all 3 of my plates from Robert its been a couple years. But they were SPOT ON PERFECT right down to getting the same kind of screws they were originally attached with. I had my dads title from 1962 Dad was the second owner. Jeep was originally titled off the engine number that engine was gone some time very early in dads ownership and not serial number tags existed at all. I had Robert make my tags to show the Number on the title the number the jeep was I assume originally registered with as it was a J-number from a CJ-2A engine. Everything I have now matches. I transferred the title into my name but did not register the jeep almost 16 years before I got it on the road again. The State of Oregon was tickled to death to screw me out of a bunch of money for the pretty new plates (I got the upgrade Pacific Wonderland plates) and hand me the new registraion that instead for coming due in NOV (the month I paid) they came due in FEB as that was the original registration month and they never change that. ANYWAY I VOTE ROBERT and new plates to match the Title.
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Chug A Lug
1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962 |
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jreb
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Posted: 10 Mar. 2023 at 8:33pm |
Hello y'all, my first post here. In regards to the VIN number as far as I know it's illegal to alter a VIN number in all states. I was a cop for twenty years and unless anyone knows for sure otherwise that would be the safe bet. Having said that though, I know someone who has one of the M151's that were cut in half welded back together and somehow got it titled as a CJ-7.
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Scratch
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Posted: 10 Mar. 2023 at 10:27pm |
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I was waiting to order my plates from Robert until I got back in town tonight because I wanted to verify the number on the engine block to see if it had the number on the title, or not.
I got back tonight and found out that the engine block, has the title number on it! So… it WAS titled using the number on the engine, not the number on the body plate. (48Willys called it) Now that I know that, I feel comfortable posting numbers for this 1946. The “Patent plate” and the body tag below it has #50100 And the engine block (by the water pump) has #48990 I sure which I would have know this when I titled it. I would have told them that it was titled using the engine number and maybe they could have changed it. I’d rather have the number on the title match the “vin plates”. The numbers are close enough that I should be ok ordering parts, (like when ordering master cylinders and some other parts) but it still bugs me that title doesn’t match the numbers on the firewall. So now what should I do when I order the plates… Do I just use the 50100 body numbers since that’s how it actually was. Or since the title says 48990, should I put that on the plates so there’s less confusion? What would you guys do? Also, I get that those two numbers might not match since they pulled engines off the line for generators and stuff, but I would have thought the ENGINES would have the higher numbers than the bodies? Can someone explain that? (Assuming this is the original engine, which it may not be)
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44 GPW 230283 OD 46 CJ2A 50100 Tan 46 CJ2A 77632 Wht 47 CJ2A 141681 Grn 48 CJ2A 156240 Red/Yel 48 CJ2A "Lefty" 181341 Red 61 CJ5 123120 Tan 03 TJ Inca Gld |
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48willys
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Posted: 11 Mar. 2023 at 2:29pm |
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That’s great news that you found it, I’m sure that’s a great relief to know the title and numbers are correct. There’s a few ways you can probably go with it.
If you want to run the original engine and never need to deck the block I would leave it as is. Im sure you can have the numbers switched to the body/frame number, I haven’t done this myself but I’ve read it’s much easier and legal as long as the engine is still installed in the Jeep when they do the vin inspection. Obviously the nice thing about doing it this way is your vin will be correct to the original body tag and if you need to do something with the engine you won’t need to worry about loosing the numbers. |
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1948 chevy 3800 thriftmaster 1946-50's cj2a-3a farm jeep 1993 yj, aka the yj7 |
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Scratch
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Posted: 11 Mar. 2023 at 2:57pm |
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Yeah, I think I'll have to make a trip to the DMV and see what it takes to switch the number on the title over.
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44 GPW 230283 OD 46 CJ2A 50100 Tan 46 CJ2A 77632 Wht 47 CJ2A 141681 Grn 48 CJ2A 156240 Red/Yel 48 CJ2A "Lefty" 181341 Red 61 CJ5 123120 Tan 03 TJ Inca Gld |
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cpt logger
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 5:12am |
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IME, In most states, it is easier to get the title in our name before trying to change the serial number on the title. That way the DMV has no reason to believe that the rig is stolen. Of course, YMMV.
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Mark W.
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 5:21am |
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Cpt logger is correct get the thing in your name 1st everything after that is immaterial to the jeep. If your jeep was originally titled with the engine number and you still have that engine in the jeep then changing it would not be correct for that vehicle. If you want the plates on the firewall to match the title then either have plates made with those numbers.
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Chug A Lug
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Scratch
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 9:16am |
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I already have the title in my name and the number matches the engine, it just bugs me that the title doesn’t match the plates. I’ll see if the DMV can change it.
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44 GPW 230283 OD 46 CJ2A 50100 Tan 46 CJ2A 77632 Wht 47 CJ2A 141681 Grn 48 CJ2A 156240 Red/Yel 48 CJ2A "Lefty" 181341 Red 61 CJ5 123120 Tan 03 TJ Inca Gld |
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 10:24am |
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The old boy from NC I got my Jeep from covered all the bases.... the tittle includes the vin and engine number. That threw a monkey wrench into the works trying to figure out what the extra numbers were. Went back home and checked the engine number, confirmed the source of the extra numbers then back to DMV with a pic and they approved a new tittle.
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Mark W.
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 1:47pm |
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No vehicle ever made by Willys ever had a VIN they had a serial number a very different thing. |
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Chug A Lug
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willyt
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 5:29pm |
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I’m so sorry I made a mistake. Am I banished from the forum?
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1952 CJ3A (Lil'Green)
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Bruce W
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 7:36pm |
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Around here the DMV is like a hornet’s nest. If it ain’t bothering you, it’s best to just leave it alone.
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It is NOT a Jeep Willys! It is a Willys jeep.
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Scratch
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 8:42pm |
I had to really fight to not use the term VIN in any of my posts in this thread too. I knew that someone would say something if I let it slip. We all knew what you meant.
Edited by Scratch - 12 Mar. 2023 at 10:18pm |
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44 GPW 230283 OD 46 CJ2A 50100 Tan 46 CJ2A 77632 Wht 47 CJ2A 141681 Grn 48 CJ2A 156240 Red/Yel 48 CJ2A "Lefty" 181341 Red 61 CJ5 123120 Tan 03 TJ Inca Gld |
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Posted: 12 Mar. 2023 at 9:52pm |
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Scratch, don't you worry about it! There are a lot of different opinions about everything in the world these days! The VIN# thing is something that came long after these jeeps were made! But, most states will use the Body/Tub/Frame numbers as the VIN. From my experience and also having been in Law Enforcement myself is that most DMV's want to have the correct information on a title and will (in most cases) welcome someone that wants to have it right! Even if it costs you a few bucks for a new title, I would go to your DMV and ask them if your wishes are in line with theirs! You don't want to use the engine number as the body number on your plates because someone may have CJ2A-48990 out there somewhere! I would take a picture of the patent plate, tub plate and the frame tag and bring it with you to the DMV.
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Posted: 15 Mar. 2023 at 9:25pm |
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UPDATE: I talked to the DMV today, they said they couldn’t help and wasn’t sure anything could be done, but they gave me the number for their title research division, who transferred me to one person, who then transferred me to another person.
That person said yes, they have a form for that. It’s to make changes to the title. I filled it out along with a description and pics of what’s happening and sent it in with my title today. There is no charge for it even! We’ll see in a month or two if my title comes back with a new number!
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44 GPW 230283 OD 46 CJ2A 50100 Tan 46 CJ2A 77632 Wht 47 CJ2A 141681 Grn 48 CJ2A 156240 Red/Yel 48 CJ2A "Lefty" 181341 Red 61 CJ5 123120 Tan 03 TJ Inca Gld |
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Posted: 15 Mar. 2023 at 11:30pm |
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Are the old VIN characters special in some way with regard to font style maybe? Or is it a legal issue that is somehow skirted by having it done overseas? I've seen pics of Robert's work and agree it's very nice, but I've also seen some amazing restoration work done by members here and can't figure out why no one wants to stamp their own VIN. McMaster-Carr has lots of metal stamps in different sizes and they even sell holders so you can strike up to nine characters at once. |
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Mark W.
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Posted: 16 Mar. 2023 at 12:24am |
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The reason to go to Robert is simple. His work is the best available and the most accurate/original looking. And yes the font is different then the metal stamps you can generally find on a tool site. I have a couple of sets of metal stamps and the font is very different then what Willys used. Yet the stamps Robert uses looks exactly like the original.
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Chug A Lug
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Posted: 18 Mar. 2023 at 4:16pm |
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Could the odd serial number on the title have come from the gusset on the tub or the end of the tailgate?
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