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    Posted: 25 Nov. 2022 at 11:45am
How many of you guys have the bent top shift cane? 

I can't find much on these, beyond having one of my own (bottom pic), and seeing this one (top) in a google-pic search.  Another member advised he'd seen them, but also didn't have much background on "where or when they'd been included in production".  Both pics are 48's, though the nice one (not mine!) has the 3-piece information plate, while mine is the single piece plate.

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Wagons? Things with a bench seat?
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Originally posted by Mark W. Mark W. wrote:

Wagons? Things with a bench seat?

Exactly what I'd thought.. bench seat/granny low type design, etc.  

I don't know how these came to be on the CJ2a, unless the re-builder swapped for the wagon version?
For that matter, I don't know that these were standard on the wagons?  I'll take a look on the web...
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I betting a guy with a set liquid wrenches made those. They seem to be bent differently.
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Naw, they used a "Smoke Wrench". I know, I have made a few of these canes myself. A pair of pipe wrenches help.

Liquid Wrench is a kind of penetrating fluid. It seems to work well, but it will not bend metal. Wink

Edited to correct spelling.


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I had a 48 with one of these. The guy told me he took the original shifter heated it up and bent himself. 

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Mine is like that, also a ‘48
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It is interesting that 4 or 5 guys have these, and all are 1948s. 
Jokes aside, it does seem that the changes are highly consistent in measurement and degree of bend.  Unlikely that different people, in different places would get this so mathematically representative of each other, unless there was a published bend plan/ dwg. 
Yep, interesting. 
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My CJ2A came to me with the similar bend, but looks to be in a slightly different spot.



Problem with theory discussed in this thread is... my 2A is a fairly early 1946.  Well before 1948 and well before the Willys Trucks, Wagons that may have had this bend originally.  The date code on the casting suggests that my T90 is original to my 1946 CJ2A...


Now, the shifter may not be original to the transmission, but with the bend removed, it does have the original 2A style shift lever shape,  The shift lever style changes in 1949 to a new style, so this lever is likey an original shifter to a CJ2A and to this T90. 

Additional to my argument is that this bent version is not the lever shape in the photos I've seen on the Trucks and Wagons.


I do agree that nothing ever seems to be completely and uterly conclusive with CJ2As or CJ3As, but 
because of the information laid out above, my conclusion is that this was a "modification" to the original lever.  

It may have been discussed in some early "Popular Mechanics" artical suggesting it to be more ergonomic.  It may have shown up on someones 2A at one of the many "Jeep Jamborees" from back in the day.  Who knows for sure, but I have always considered it a mod, thus I fixed the bend on my 2A.


1- 1946 CJ2A   
2- 1949 CJ3A
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Thanks athawk, 
I do love this group for this very reason.. most are very willing to talk and discuss the never-in-print production oddities.  My jeep came painted in "clear maple", a factory wagon color.  It's original, and either a custom from the dealer, or a direct from factory buy?  

I'll keep trying to find shift cane information - and will ask the folks with bent canes what their stamped numbers depict.  

Thanks!
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T90’s were also used by IH, Studebaker and others so that’s seems to be yet another possibility.
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Originally posted by oldtime oldtime wrote:

T90’s were also used by IH, Studebaker and others so that’s seems to be yet another possibility.

Thanks Oldtime!  I'll take a look at these.
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Officer Hawk, I'm aware that your duties with the Jeep Police are regional so I appreciate your willingness to pitch in.

The changeover date from the CJ2A curved "Transmission Control Lever" (gear shift lever) went from 642760 on 7/2/46, but the use of the CJ3A Lever  (648593) for "Service Use Only" became official on  11/5/1948.

If these odd levers began life as original equipment before modification, the manufacturer Part number "AC90-2" would be stamped on the lever on the shaft below the pivot ball.

The samples in this post have significant variations.
The first photo of the tan Jeep show an incorrect 3 part Serial plate with incorrect stamping an location. It also appears the boot is fastened around the transmission cover and the ball is exposed. There have been a rash of these reports so he has had his hands full.

I have copied Officer P. Ronie on this report.




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