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mikec4193 
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 Topic: The middle and right shifter levers do what??Posted: 17 Aug. 2013 at 11:04pm |
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Hi Everyone I am starting to run my PILE around my back door yard and the whole 3 stick transmission has me scratching my head again. I get the the tall lever on the left, 1st second etc...etc...etc.. The middle lever is an in and out box right???....When I take the lever to the out part the Jeep wont move...is this right???...Also the little short lever on the far right is a high and low...I assume low is for like snow plowing and stuff (this Jeep will never ever plow again)....It appears as tho if I put the high low in "N" the Jeep wont move either....SO how are these 2 shorter levers where do they need to be to so I can drive this PILE on a paved road Surface???? I attached the photo because this is what I trying to read to get the PILE to move out of the garage...Any insight would be awesome...
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Posted: 17 Aug. 2013 at 11:10pm |
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In and Out refer to the front axle, i.e. in or out of 4 wheel drive. The right most lever is forward for low range, middle for neutral, and back for high range of the transfer case. Neutral is used in conjunction with a power take off to let the transmission vary torque and speed to the PTO, but not have the vehicle move.
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Mike S
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Posted: 17 Aug. 2013 at 11:14pm |
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cliff notes version = drive on pavement with high range engaged, OUT of 4WD.
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Posted: 17 Aug. 2013 at 11:15pm |
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Middle puts in or out of 4x4 the 3rd lever puts in high or low 4x4 and only high in 2 wheel drive. the third also has neutral, if in neutral it won't move. you can't run low 2 wheel due to forks engineered to not put the TC in stress. If PO did undue wires on TC fork it can allow it to be run in low 2 wheel drive but don't recommend it. Maybe someone else can explain it better, sometimes I don't make a lot of sense when describing stuff.
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Posted: 18 Aug. 2013 at 1:33am |
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"Out" and "High" is what you want, Mike, for normal two-wheel-drive high-range pavement running.
You said, "....When I take the lever to the out part the jeep won't move...is this right???" Are you asking or telling? It should move. "Out" or "In" refers to the drive to the front wheels, which you don't want to use, from what you've told us. BW
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Posted: 18 Aug. 2013 at 1:01pm |
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Hi Bruce
Thank you thank you thank you....I was hoping tho to be able to put the transfer case in the "N" position and be able to drive it down the paved road....not gonna happen I guess... So my next question is...how are these Willys Jeep supposed to shift into second gear???...Mine is fighting me (grind grind grind) and I am not sure...do I have to "double clutch" to get it into second gear???...third gear also the same??? This transmission I have a $550.00 (brandey new) gear set from Walcks4WD and another $450.00 in labor to have it rebuilt...I am hoping I just don't know how to drive an antique truck... Any insight would be wonderful.... MikeC
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Posted: 18 Aug. 2013 at 1:32pm |
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The grinding on a "newly rebuilt" tranny is troubling... 2nd and third have syncros soooo.....?
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Posted: 18 Aug. 2013 at 1:35pm |
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Mike, It can't be in "N", use HI (for the road). I usually put it in "N" when I park at a store as a theft deterrent
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The grinding could be caused by ur clutch not engaging properly. As Gary said, you can not down shift into 1st while moving. Edited by Ritt - 18 Aug. 2013 at 1:38pm |
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Posted: 18 Aug. 2013 at 2:35pm |
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Tell about the shifting procedure between 2 and high.
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Posted: 19 Aug. 2013 at 10:12pm |
I had trouble last year with the gear set from Walck's.....The brass synchro blocker rings are very crappy and don't fit properly on the gear synchro cone.They bottom out before they grip. And the synchro slider dogs were too short and jammed the synchro action... The result was gear grinding... I had to pull the tranny-T/C out again ,disassemble and that's when I discovered the problem. A call to Novak conversion got me quality USA synchro parts. This was bad on me because I'm quite experienced with transmissions and should have looked closer... But hey,it' new sh*t that's supposed to work like new... NOT I can't say this is your problem exactly......But I can say I would never buy those gears again.
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Posted: 19 Aug. 2013 at 10:34pm |
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This a photo showing the problem....There should be about.035- .050 clearance when the brass cone is push onto the gear, where you see the feeler gauge. Checking this clearance is not always done....I forget to do it and paid the price....Take this photo and show your tranny man and ask if he checked the clearance.
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Posted: 20 Aug. 2013 at 1:11am |
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Hi Everyone
I got the old PILE to shift...I went and talked to the tranny guy at my job...he says "does it grind putting it into reverse???"...I had to think for a bit and yes it does...so he says "you gotta tighten up the adjustment on the clutch"....Ok...so I dig into my handy dandy Willys Overland maintenance manual and and it says I need 1 1/2" free play...I had over 3" on the clutch pedal...so I crawl under the PILE and loosen the lock nut on the clutch fork....then I turn the clutch cable up to match it...climb back inside measure...we are getting closer...back underneath and loosen more on the nut and turn the cable until it is tight...measure and we are just about at 1 1/2"....fire the PILE up and back out of the garage and away we go...first gear OK...clutch in....pray pray pray...second gear in....YIPPEE FOR ME !!!.... I will show that picture to the tranny guy tomorrow and see if he did set it up the way you have it shown...I know he was on the phone with Carl when he was doing this rebuild...there was "stack up" issue and he had to sand something down to get it to fit... I am praying he know what he was doing...he was Jeep mechanic for like 10 years before he came to work with us... MikeC PS I dont envy you guys that drive these things off road....I would not have had any fun with all the mud falling in my face...
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Posted: 20 Aug. 2013 at 11:37am |
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Mike, a good day when it shifts properly. Sounds like your man has done the job..
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Posted: 21 Aug. 2013 at 8:51pm |
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"Pile" ,Talk nice to you'r baby their all jem's, the rougher the better. |
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Posted: 25 Aug. 2013 at 9:23pm |
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You said the jeep doesn't move with the transfer case shifted to the 2wd position in your original post?
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Posted: 26 Aug. 2013 at 1:08am |
Hi Clone The Willys Jeep moves when the transfer case middle lever is in the "out" position (I think) and the right most lever is in the "high" position...I think that is the way it works at least... I dont understand this 4 wheel drive mechanics at all....so I hope what I said it right...I do much better with 3 pedals on the floor and one shifter on the floor....this 3 shifters I don't get at all... MikeC
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