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bight
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hmm. not sure where you heard that but i think many experienced users of NDT's would beg to differ.
have you seen what jpet and stan do with them? if not, lots of videos evidence posted here. check it out for proof positive.
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Oldpappy
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I have had a set of Deestone NDTs on my CJ2A for a couple of years, and I have a set of Power King Super traction (similar to the STAs mentioned) on my CJ5 for a year over a year. I use both Jeeps on the farm and make trips into town fairly often. I don't notice much difference in performance between the two tire types, other than the NDTs do a little better in mud, but not a whole lot better.
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Nick_
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The NDT boys are at it again. I'm gonna have to agree to disagree with that one. Just been my experience they're a slip and slide in Midwest mud. Pretty much any soft rubber tire does just fine on the rocks. NDT's aren't that great in mud or snow (unless you heavily modify them to the point they don't quite look like a traditional NDT). For most light mud uses, they're perfect though. I love my tractor tires in all environments and never felt sketchy even with both axles being welded. There isn't a perfect answer to tires. Everything has its trade offs.
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Oldpappy
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Now that is some serious MUD!
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JeepFever
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There is certainly a lot of slip and slide there. Wish there were some comparisons in that video though. Would have been great to see similar Jeeps with -> 7.50 big lug NDTs, mud/snow tread, KM3's, etc. and even tractor tires (although I would never put those ugly things on my '2A ) Not sure that type of wheeling is what the OP is looking to get tires for. He is planning a "trail maintenance" rig. If me, I would never be on my trails, when that wet.
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JeepFever
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I have always felt that the current 7.50 NDTs on Wilson were better off-road than the mud/snow Super Traxions it was previously running. Today I did a brief comparison -> literally changing out tires and doing the same trails. It proves (in my mind anyway) that the 7.50 big lug NDTs are clearly better (my Jeep, my driving, my trails).
I will start a new thread with the details. edit: add link to comparison test -> 7.5 NDT vs 6.5 SuperTraxion
Edited by JeepFever - 12 Feb. 2023 at 11:40am |
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bight
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the word ugly is very subjective and solely based upon ones own tastes, knowledge, and experiences.
Edited by bight - 25 Oct. 2022 at 10:19pm |
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dasvis
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Sorry, in this case they ARE just ugly....
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bight
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really now?
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JeepFever
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Hoping this is all in good fun . . I truly respect Nick and Bight, but agree with dasvis.
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JeepFever
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Actually those "tractor tires" do look cool in that photo. :-)
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bight
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so it is all in fun. can't say i fully disagree
but people have called the VW bug and Scion XB ugly which they are far from. in fact they are some of the greatest car designs. the Edsel - ugly. French cars - ugly. the Pontiac Aztek - really ugly. back to the original post now...
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rocnroll
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Yeah, now if those were still available......
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bight
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and it does not get better than this here...
wouldn't yall like to get your greasy hands on one of these babys? Edited by bight - 25 Oct. 2022 at 10:51pm |
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I'd like to offer this, from my father who was a WW2 veteran and served in Europe through fall and winter of '44 and through the end of hostilities. These are his words and not mine as I have no personal experience with the NDT tires. And I'm having to paraphrase as I don't recall his words exactly but it was something to affect this:
[ I'll never why understand why the government put so many mens lives in danger with those tires.] So, through the enemy fire, the frost bite, the noise, the death........he noticed how horrible, in his opinion, those tires were in mud, snow, etc. He owned several jeeps immediately after returning home from the war including a surplus GPW and a brand new '47 2A. Just one man's opinion. Take it or leave it. YMMV
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Joe Friday
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Maybe when I "re-TIRE" I'll have time to post some of the government data, tire manufacturers data, and Willys data on why they selected the tires they did. The testing was done in far more controlled conditions than depicted here.
The original AGRI-JEEP tires were Goodyear Sure Grip Grader tires that were widened 1" to add a centerline. It was the Same mold used for the CJ-1 tires, with a spacer in the mold.
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lhfarmbt
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This has been a fun and enlightening discussion. The property where the Jeep will be (and has been used for 20 years with modern M/S tires) consists of 40 acres of hilly woods and 11 acres of prairie grass meadow and 4 acres of lawn (need to reduce that). The woods contains trails that were the original access roads from the late 19th century (the farm was purchased by my wife's family in 1912) and trails added during logging and my own additions. The trails serve as walking/hiking paths and access to parts of the property for gathering firewood. I try to keep them "groomed" for easy walking and have grass to cut down on erosion where possible. So I won't be doing any mudding like Nick.
Because the old wagon roads are so worn, they are below grade and erosion on the hills is a constant problem. I don't drive on them when they are wet if I can help it. When I purchased a new 40HP tractor, I went with R4 tires and replaced the smaller tractor (a '64 Cub Lo-Boy) tires with turf treads to minimize damage. I run chains on both tractors during the winter, since both are terrible on ice and snow. I plan to get a set of chains for the NDTs Thanks, Barry
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oldtime
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It should be obvious that a set of Chains will cause far more damage than the most aggressive tread ever designed.
However on light jeep and frozen ground they should be fine. I have run a log skidder that was fully chained with cleats and the roads turn to powdered dust in a big hurry. That said they simply DO NOT SLIP. I would run Super Traxions if Jeep is used on road frequently … Or stick with NDT’s if strictly used on the farm. Chevron tractor tires for deep loose soil or deep mud. Edited by oldtime - 26 Oct. 2022 at 9:46am |
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