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    Posted: 18 Feb. 2020 at 11:25pm
Originally posted by squidtone squidtone wrote:

Camber is published in the Universal Service manual to be 1.5 degrees for all CJ models (4wd). This equates to the top of the wheel overhanging the bottom by about 3/4 of an inch. Your right angle square shows that's just about what you have. I'd say everything is normal.
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So glad I came into this thread,  I have always been concerned that the D30 axle I swapped into my '2A had too much camber . . .   but this shows it is normal. Smile

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Originally posted by smfulle smfulle wrote:

I probably should adjust my stops some day but I probably won't.


Especially when just tightening the bolts holding the grease seal on the knuckle can change the angle of steering...
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Getting your wheel stops set up is a good idea. 
My 7.00 x 16 NDTs have been rubbing on the springs at full turn forever. No real ill effects except for a shiny spot on the spring.
I probably should adjust my stops some day but I probably won't.
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The wheel stops are about 3/4 to 1 inch from being engaged in full left or right turn as they are set now. I may need to install longer bolts on the stops. that will keep the tire from rubbing the spring, but I hate to reduce the turning radius. Still its better than tearing up the tire or the spring. I plan on reducing the height on the block by a 1/2 inch also to see if that makes a difference.










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Originally posted by likeg likeg wrote:

Adjusting the wheel stop may help but the adjustment would have to be on the left side to limit turning ability to keep the right tire from rubbing on the right spring? Sounds about right to me. When in full turn left the right side rubs the spring, the left side doesn’t rub at all. I would think the left would rub on the frame, but it doesn’t 

This may be due to the block on the right side. You've lowered the spring in relation to the axle center line on the right side. This puts the spring closer to the meat of the tire as it turns. Don't know if I'm explaining it well. But my guess is that is where your issue is. 

As said, Would just adjust the steering stop out a tad and call it done. 
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Adjusting the wheel stop may help but the adjustment would have to be on the left side to limit turning ability to keep the right tire from rubbing on the right spring? Sounds about right to me. When in full turn left the right side rubs the spring, the left side doesn’t rub at all. I would think the left would rub on the frame, but it doesn’t 
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Your wheel stop probably needs adjustment.
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Now another problem, set the toe and everything looked good. Jumped in to move the Jeep to a different area and when I turn to the left the right tire rubs on the right spring in the front. Running stock rims with 6-16 tires. The tire shouldn’t rub but it does. I’m out of ideas. Anybody else experience this problem with stock tire and wheel sizes? 
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I stand corrected, Keith is correct. 
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.....yep.....

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Glen is thinking of his GM independent or SLA suspensions.
 On solid, or 'live' axles, camber does not change with ride height.
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Caster and camber are set for life on a a Dana model 25 axle...unless something is damaged.
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Originally posted by Red Willy Red Willy wrote:

Camber is affected by ride height as well. When doing a Front End Alignment you check / set ride height, camber , caster and toe is last. When you sit in the drivers seat it will change the angle slightly. You stated that the drivers side is sitting higher than the passenger side so the camber is going to be off when compared. 


? Hmmmm......

I always though toe-in is all that is adjustable on these ol ' rigs.

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Camber is affected by ride height as well. When doing a Front End Alignment you check / set ride height, camber , caster and toe is last. When you sit in the drivers seat it will change the angle slightly. You stated that the drivers side is sitting higher than the passenger side so the camber is going to be off when compared. 
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Thanks for all the feedback. I'll just finish a few minor details including adjusting the toe and go for a ride. Guess I was worried about nothing. I have done several full rebuilds on cars and trucks, but never anything with 4wd or a straight axle do I assumed the positive camber should not be there. I'm 
used to looking at wheels/tires that usually have close to "0" camber. Nice to know the camber is pretty close to where it should be. 
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Camber is published in the Universal Service manual to be 1.5 degrees for all CJ models (4wd). This equates to the top of the wheel overhanging the bottom by about 3/4 of an inch. Your right angle square shows that's just about what you have. I'd say everything is normal.
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Originally posted by CT48 CT48 wrote:

Positive camber is normal as it's designed that way on every solid front axle vehicle that I know of, and it's needed.

Pics sometimes can appear distorted to the viewer, but I don't see anything wrong.

I would agree with the above. 

I would also suggest that the angle lessens once the toe is dialed in. The block isn’t a factor in my opinion as well.

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Positive camber is normal as it's designed that way on every solid front axle vehicle that I know of, and it's needed.

Pics sometimes can appear distorted to the viewer, but I don't see anything wrong.
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