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WellFedHobo ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep. 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Status: Offline Points: 449 |
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Did a bit more work on the Jeep today. Dad and I got the PCV replaced. (Turns out, there WAS a vacuum leak from the PCV fitting that I had apparently partially stripped...) After that, I tried to adjust the idle stop screw a bit. The thing actually idled down! Sounded about as healthy as it ever had. But the throttle linkage rod that connects to the pedal was set too far forward so it couldn't idle down fully. Tried to loosen the nuts and it snapped the threaded part in half.
![]() At least the vacuum leak is gone and it doesn't die at idle. Though the idle is still as rough as ever.
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1948 CJ2A #158011 "Sunk Cost Fallacy" 1945 T3-C #1431 |
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Ron D ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 27 Oct. 2019 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 787 |
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I don't recommend re-using a bent pulley. Walcks sells the proper CJ pulley: https://walcks4wd.com/Crankshaft-Pulley-Single-Groove-L-F-Head-4-Cylinder_p_902.html You'll need one anyway if you want to fix your wrong size belt situation. Good advice to file a timing notch on the pulley. If all you do is paint a mark it'll soon be gone. Good luck!
Edited by Ron D - 08 Mar. 2023 at 12:44pm |
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Bill2A ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Mar. 2018 Location: Fort Worth, Tex Status: Offline Points: 491 |
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Once you have a notch, you can use a tooth pick to paint inside the notch to make it way easier to see.
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Mark W. ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Sponsor Member Joined: 09 Nov. 2014 Location: Silverton, OR Status: Offline Points: 7457 |
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File a little notch on the inside pulley much less likely to rub off. Then make a pointer that corresponds to it.
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Chug A Lug
1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962 |
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WellFedHobo ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep. 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Status: Offline Points: 449 |
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It seems that it might just be a CJ2A pulley after all. One side is slightly larger, though the front of the pully is somewhat bent up. I bent it back as best I could while the engine was out of the Jeep. It's definitely the same pulley in both pictures. Paint and a pair of pliers can do wonders. (Plus I was too lazy to remove it to begin with.)
I might just take the easy way out on this one. I need to replace the oil pan because what's on there is too bent and leaky to continue using and I already have a new one. While I have the pan off, I can visually rotate it to TDC from below, add the timing indicator as suggested, and paint a mark on the pulley while I'm at it.
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Brad
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Steelyard Blues ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 09 Oct. 2017 Location: Reno, NV Status: Offline Points: 1390 |
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As per Mark’s suggestion. This is what I used. It is also a smaller diameter to assist charging at idle.
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1947 CJ2A 106327, Engine J109205, Tub 97077. Luzon Red
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muley ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Jan. 2021 Location: idaho Status: Offline Points: 591 |
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Hobo, i'm not convinced you have an m38 pulley. the m38 pulley dia is 6-3/8", much larger than the std 5-1/4" pulley. Both grooves on the larger pulley are 1/2" narrow belt. i've attached 2 pics of the different m38 pulley types, note the shape of the face is much different than what you have posted. the back side pics show both the notch type and the hole.
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I never met a mule I didn't like! OD Mule 51 M38 Big Red 19fiddy CJ3A salad |
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Ron D ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 27 Oct. 2019 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 787 |
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Would have to see what pulley he's running on the water pump. It might be a 3-way mis-match.
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Mark W. ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Sponsor Member Joined: 09 Nov. 2014 Location: Silverton, OR Status: Offline Points: 7457 |
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Speedway motors sells a conversion pulley for that Alternator that will adapt it to a 5/8" wide belt. PITA to swap but really saves belts. I recommend highly the Gates Green belts in the wider size. Do a search on their web site for a flat head V8 Alternator pulley a number of choices will come up.
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Chug A Lug
1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962 |
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Ron D ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 27 Oct. 2019 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 787 |
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Yup. And to confuse it more, looking at his 2 photos --- it's not the same pulley in both. Edited by Ron D - 07 Mar. 2023 at 9:07pm |
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dasvis ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Sponsor Member Joined: 07 Sep. 2019 Location: Salem, Oregon Status: Offline Points: 1015 |
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Yeah, looks like the crank pulley is for a 5/8” top width belt & the alternator uses a 1/2” belt.
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1953 CJ3A #453-GB1 11266 "Black Beauty" 1964 Thunderbird convertible ..... & one of them moves under it's own power!! |
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Ron D ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 27 Oct. 2019 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 787 |
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Figure 27 on page 22 (Chapter C - Tune-up) of your Willys Universal Jeep Service Manual shows it pretty good. You do have a Willys Service Manual?
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Ron D ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 27 Oct. 2019 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 787 |
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Might just be the angle of your photo.......are you certain both belt slots are identical in width? The outboard slot in the bottom photo looks fatter to me. A CJ double pulley used a fat outer belt for a governer belt I believe. There's some inconsistency in how M38 pulleys were marked. If it has a notch it would be a small v-shape cut into the outer circumference on the inboard pulley. If it has the hole (about 1/8-inch) it's on the inside of the inboard pulley (very difficult to find, usually only used to transfer a notch to the easy to find position). As already mentioned, get yourself a timing pointer bolted on, find TDC for #1, mark the pulley, and you'll never have to look at the flywheel again for timing marks. The pointer uses the 2 studs just below the oil hose fitting. Yes, there's a pretty reliable way to tune by vacuum and dwell (google it) if that's how you want to roll. By the way, the belt in your bottom photo looks way wrong size (width) for that pulley. Maybe my imagination.
Edited by Ron D - 07 Mar. 2023 at 8:37pm |
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otto ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Feb. 2012 Location: Orygun Status: Offline Points: 1932 |
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When my jeep's engine was apart, I painted two marks- one on the pulley and the other on the cover. It doesn't matter where these marks are; they just need to line up with the engine at TDC.
I then use my timing light with a dial and then use the dial to line the marks up when the engine is running. Read the dial and that's where you're at. There's no way I could see those flywheel marks even on a good day.
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WellFedHobo ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep. 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Status: Offline Points: 449 |
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Well, I have an M38 pulley then, because it's two of the same size. But I never saw a hole drilled, or a mark. I figured it would be obvious. Though the pulley was a bit dinged up so I might have painted over it without seeing.
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Bruce W ![]() Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 July 2005 Location: Northeast Colorado Status: Offline Points: 8845 |
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Well, it looks like you may need to use the vacuum gauge method. I can’t tell you how, because I don’t use that method, but I’m sure someone will be glad to ‘splain it to you. If you don’t have a vacuum gauge, go get one. You should have one anyway.
BW
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It is NOT a Jeep Willys! It is a Willys jeep.
Happy Trails! Good-bye, Good Luck, and May the Good Lord Take a Likin' to You! We Have Miles to Jeep, Before We Sleep. |
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Ron D ![]() Member ![]() Joined: 27 Oct. 2019 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 787 |
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Give us a photo of the pulley. A M38 pulley has 2 belts (both equal size) where if the CJ has 2 they aren't equal size. Sounds like you have a single pulley? If you have a M38 pulley it either has a timing notch on it, or a small hole on the inside, neither easy to see, especially with crud everywhere. Timing pointers are $10 and easy to install on the timing cover, same as the Army and Willys did when they moved timing from the flywheel to the front of the motor for those blocks. Even if you have a CJ pulley (single or double belt), you can use the same pointer after you find TDC and 5-degrees and mark it yourself.
Edited by Ron D - 07 Mar. 2023 at 7:28pm |
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