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willys54wagon
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Posted: 10 Feb. 2018 at 8:37pm |
Here is a discussion on General Pattons driver.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3630958/posts There is a quote about "rebuilding to make it go faster". Made me wonder about mods the GI's would have done. The Studebaker engine would have been easily available and an easy upgrade? Any documentation for that? Other mods to engine? Update: The Studebaker champion engine was only used in the weasel so wouldn't have been readily available to a lot of troops? only about 16,000 weasels built? Mostly used in pacific? Edited by willys54wagon - 15 Feb. 2018 at 8:03pm |
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Ol' Unreliable
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Did you read the comments at the bottom, where someone said that Patton's driver was someone else, named Mims? Which is correct???
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Mark W.
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Patton was a General from Oct 1940 to his death. SO he would have had a number of different drivers coming from the various units he was either assigned to or commanded. The accident that ended up causing his death was in a 1938 Cadillac Model 75 Sedan The driver, PFC Horace L. Woodring.
Before that his command car in North Africa and in Europe was a Dodge WC-57 Command Car he had modified to suit his tastes in England. The article states Francis ‘Jeep’ Sanza was Pattons driver from D day preps in May to VE day. So about a Year or so he was Pattons driver but not Pattons ONLY DRIVER. |
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Chug A Lug
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Ol' Unreliable
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I guess the important question is, what Go-Devil modifications were made?
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ralf
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Patton had one Jeep named War Eagle with some real funky mods to the body. Drooping front fenders, fender skirts and a reinforced windshield so he could stand up and review the troops.
http://www.skylighters.org/patton/photo2.jpg |
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Steelyard Blues
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If I could find the parts .........................
Micah
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1947 CJ2A 106327, Engine J109205, Tub 97077. Luzon Red
https://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/steelyard-blues_topic41024_post397981.html?KW=micah+movie#397981 1965 Johnson Furnace Company M416 #6-1577 |
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Ol' Unreliable
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I'm sure that an aluminum head can be found somewhere in the world.
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Mike S
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All that for a horsepower gain that can he counted on two hands?
Just cut a few thou' off a standard head and you get the compression gain. No aluminum fins, but hey! who cares. I do think that the dual carb manifold is cool. |
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Mark W.
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Keep in mind that while mods may only get you 10-12 extra HP that is a 16-20% increase in power. Thats a bunch.
My list of engine mods include increase in cu in to 140 (.060 over bore) increase in compression ratio to 7.2-1 (block decked .007" Head shaved .035" compression ratio as measured) Cast aluminum intake manifold Weber DGV 32/36 progressive 2bbl carb Fresh air intake / K&N style free flow air filter Tri Y style Header with 2.25" mandrel bent exhaust and Dynamax 6 x 10 flow through muffler Vacuum Advance Distributor with Petronix Trigger and MSD 6A captive discharge spark box Accel small Super coil and Champion UJ-8 indexed plugs NO FAN (using a Mr Gasket electric on an Aluminum radiator) NO Fuel pump (using a Holley electric with a regulator set for 2.5lbs to match the carb) Hard Valve seats GM style Thermostat housing 185 degree stat. Balancing of the complete rotating assembly from the crank pulley to the pressure plate Toyota FJ starter Oversized bypass type spin on oil filter that will increase oil volume by 1 qt over stock. 105amp Delco 10si Alternator with Aluminum Ford V8 Pulley Gates Green line belt Other mods are cosmetic and will not add to performance Some of these mods are still in the works but all will be finished when I go to start the engine for the first time. Other drive train mods include. 9.25" optional Clutch (1960's CJ-5) 1.25" D-18 (again late CJ-5) 70 1/2 to 71 Dana 44 30 spline flanged rear axle with Eaton E-Locker NEW G2 5.38 gears SKF bearings and 11" Wagoneer brakes. Front Dana 25 original to Jeep with all new SKF bearings and Seals Warn WL-2 Hubs 11" Wagoneer Brakes. Edited by Mark W. - 13 Feb. 2018 at 7:38pm |
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Chug A Lug
1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962 |
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Steelyard Blues
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Aluminum heads are hard to find. I have been looking: Hickey, Chuchua and Willy Willy.
A dual intake with carbs just sold on eBay for around $1,100. Micah
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1947 CJ2A 106327, Engine J109205, Tub 97077. Luzon Red
https://www.thecj2apage.com/forums/steelyard-blues_topic41024_post397981.html?KW=micah+movie#397981 1965 Johnson Furnace Company M416 #6-1577 |
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Ol' Unreliable
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I could swear that Offenhauser also made an aluminum head for a Go-Devil, but I could be mistaken.
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Mark W.
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The combustion chamber on my stock head after being shaved .035 is basically flat over top the piston and while I can take more off the best you can get compression wise is about 8-1 before you start running into Valve issues so knock isn't going to be any sort of a problem as long as your running regular 87 octane fuel. since 9.5-1 will run on it.
If I ever take the head off of my engine again I will most likely have another 005-008" taken off it. But that will be it and I doubt that would get me better then 7.7-1 compression ratio (I am guessing and would have to run the numbers after having the head cut so the combustion chamber could be measured to be any closer) |
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Chug A Lug
1948 2A Body Customized 1949 3A W/S 1957 CJ5 Frame Modified Late 50's 134L 9.25"clutch T90A D18 (1.25") D44/30 flanged E-Locker D25 5.38 Since 1962 |
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Nick_
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Have you heard the word of our lord and savior: forced induction?
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LuzonRed47
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Mark's long parts manifest actually shows why Willys went to the F-head -- a 15-hp gain over the L134 simply by putting the intake valves upstairs. Too bad W-O was so cheap and didn't design an all-new OHV engine with 5 main bearings, but that would have been revolutionary in 1949.
The real key to making power in a flathead is coaxing additional airflow out of what is at best a highly compromised layout. Porting/relieving and a camshaft would be Mark's next logical steps--there is plenty of info on this among the Ford V8 faithful, as well as published data on the ultimate high-po flathead, the Harley-Davidson KR race engine circa 1969 developed by Ralph Berndt at Harley and the independent tuner Tom Sifton. The bottoms of those KR cylinder heads and the tops of the cylinder castings are works of art, the result of many hours spent on the flowbench. None of this, however, in my opinion is worth the effort in the Willys L134, which was designed to give industrial-engine reliability and decent low-end torque above all else. For those 2A and 3A owners seeking more ooomph, it seems a lot cheaper and lower effort to simply swap in an F134--instant 75 hp--or find a DJ5 postal jeep with the Chevy 153 -- a whopping 90 hp! Yes, these OHV-4 swaps require some tricks to avoid a hood bulge--or a CJ3B! However, I can't wait to hear Mark's hot-rodded L134 run--please post a video! Edited by LuzonRed47 - 14 Feb. 2018 at 1:24pm |
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CJ2A #140275 "Ziggie" (purchased new by my dad in 1947)
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Or Pinto with a stock 100hp.
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Mark W.
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LuzonRed47. When I finally do get this thing on the road I will be doing extensive testing and be posting all of it.
Things I will be testing 0-60-0 mph 1/4 mile times chassis Dyno readings MPG RPM at 60mph in OD and Std. operating water temp and oil pressure oil temp compression Internal sound levels (I will be building an insulated aluminum hard top and I own a db meter) External Sound levels (with the header and the flow through muffler I want to know how loud it is. Entry and Exit angles Weight And I will list all the various specifications of things like tires and any mod's I have done. rocnroll is correct if what a person is looking for is more HP then the 134L is a piss poor place to start. Personally if I were to be after HP the 220HP numbers matching 1966Chevelle 283 with 18K on a rebuild sitting in my way in the shop would have been put in. I would have swapped the cam for the lowest rpm high torque grind I could find and I would have put a Eldelbrock Performer aluminum manifold on it with a little Holley 4160 450cfm mechanical 4bbl. And a set of TRI Y headers. But what I was going for was a hot rodded 134L not everything has to have a reason. Edited by Mark W. - 14 Feb. 2018 at 5:39pm |
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Chug A Lug
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Ol' Unreliable
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A hot-rodded L-134 is reason enough. It was enough for Vic Hickey. |
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Mike S
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a 225 V6 or a Chevrolet 283 would boost horsepower to the highest PRACTICAL level for a 2A. But where's the fun in a swap when you can mess with the original motor a bit?
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Warn FF D41 rear Lock-Right locker 11" drum brakes Dual master cylinder T90C Transmission 16 X 6 Jeep truck wheels Cooper STT Pro tires |
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